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Message posted: 25th May 06, 08:51 pm
Username: jonathanaltfeld
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I posted this in a different thread, and ended up eliciting ''anti-drug'' messages. Those people completely missed the point of this technique. This technique, and people who use it, are not advocating drugs to anyone. We're advocating having increased access to remembered good feelings of any kind -- without the use of any substances at all.

Furthermore, I made reference to this technique in another thread on sexuality as a method of eliciting an orgasm in a partner -- without even needing any touching -- and that generated more questions than it answered. I guess I thought I had set up all the right road signs to understand how to make this process work in a sexual setting, but apparently not.... so here you go -- posted in it's own thread, for your immense enjoyment.

Do me a favor and leave the ethics discussions out of this thread and don't presume you know just from reading this post what I am or am not advocating.

Learn these techniques for process learnings, not for content.

If you want to know how to make this work in a sexual way, then cut & paste the sequential sensations elicited below, with the natural sequence of feelings of interest, then arousal, then strong arousal... and...
hell, if you don't get the point by now, you need more than NLP training... *chuckle*

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Certainly this sort of thing is best 'shown' or demonstrated live, as there are lots of nonverbals and skills that one can tie in to amplify the results.

And if my description here fails to generate a strong response in people, then it is those nonverbals and ancillary skills that are the difference that makes the difference.

I say that because the drug of choice, to an untrained eye, is a really, really simple sequence to follow.

But I've seen people follow the steps and get nothing, whereas if I'm talking to someone who has experienced marijuana, for example, 3-5 minutes after I begin, they'll be profoundly high. I have yet NOT to get a strong result with this.

So here's the process, in a nutshell, leaving out all the stuff that is easy to observe, not so easy to type:

If anyone you know has ever asked the question ''Remeber when we were SO high...'' the people answering that question might say ''yes'' but they wouldn't experience the drug state, because they were being asked about a completely different state than they're presently in. Any answer is at best going to be dissociated.

However, the drug of choice process aims to give people a clear and rapid pathway into the sensations of having their state altered. It takes the idea of a very different static state, and gives people a pathway into it, that their bodies will remember, given the right stimuli.

So I ask the person to do, physically, whatever the first thing is, that absorbs the substance. If it was Ibuprofen (or Advil(R) headache/bodyache medicine), then I begin by asking them to break up the pill into 10 tiny pieces, and take one tiny piece at a time. In this way they're not in danger of pretending to take more than one actual dose of ibuprofen. If they wish to recreate a marijuana high, then I have them pretend to inhale from a joint, or a water pipe, etc.

After they do the physical action (which not only becomes their somatic anchor for the start of the process, it actually already IS their somatic anchor for the start of the process), I ask them...

''OK, after a few moments or minutes passes, what's the first thing your body feels?''

And *usually* you get a useful response (sometimes they give out unrelated info -- experience teaches you how to sort for useful info here). And you repeat that back to them, reflecting the nonverbals, going into the sensations, yourself.

Then you ask them to shake it off and go back to neutral again. And when they look normal again, have them repeat the initiator anchor/movement. Then you walk them through ''a few moments pass, and then, you begin to feel [first feeling],'' and you show them the feelings using their nonverbals and pointing to your & their body to reference each feeling. And go into state to help bring them into it.

Then you ask ''and what's the one next thing you feel?'' etc etc. And you repeat & reflect that back to them.

Then you take them back to neutral.

Each time... you keep repeating the process... And it builds a state/sensation chain in the subject.

Neutral, Anchor, ask for 1st feeling. reflect that back.

Neutral, Anchor, 1st feeling, ask for 2nd feeling. reflect that back.

Neutral, Anchor, 1st feeling, 2nd feeling, ask for 3rd feeling, reflect that back.

etc. etc.

With most people, it only takes 3-6 steps before just firing off the anchor rushes them into state.

And once it's built... each time they fire off the anchor, the faster they go through the chain.

Now, here's where all those other skills came into play. If you the leader are neutral the whole time, you may as well not have done it for the poor results that would have produced. You have to lead them into it.

Also, if you were thinking about it at the time, then not only did they anchor the start, but so did you, with or without their awareness (it matters not).

Then you can test your anchor while they're neutral, and see how fast you can bring back their response(s).

Take all this outside the context of the word DRUG. We've all contributed our opinions here about the ethics of this, and I don't feel the need to repeat my opinions on the matter, you can find them above.

Because if you remove the word drug from the title, you can call this the ''feeling of choice'' induction...

and use the exact same thing at a coffee date... to elicit what it's like to slip into a jacuzzi and feel so sensually relaxed...

You can whisper the same process while being naughty with a loved one in a public place, to quietly remind them how you coaxed them to orgasm just hours before...

You can use the same thing with a partner who's angry with you for something to lead them into what they felt like when they wanted to compromise... or what they felt like on the last occasion when they had an uncontrollable need to rip off your clothes...

You can use the same process with a group to remind a nonfunctional team how they managed to turn lack of productivity into feelings of teamwork and contribution and success.

Folks, read for process here.

Some people are getting too caught up in content.


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