I've just watched an Anthony Robbins DVD on weight loss and I'm left feeling a little confused.

The video showed clips of heart surgery to be used as an interrupt, which are relevant, but then it showed scenes from an 'unsanitary animal slaughter'. I was pretty sickened by it and I don't see what relevance it has to weight loss?.

If perhaps I'd decided to become a vegetarian it would be more relevant.

I've done a little research and it seems Anthony is a vegetarian? and promotes a vegetarian lifestyle?, to me it seems he's imposing his belief a little too much here rather than helping with the topic in hand.

I'm sure most people watching won't be expecting the slaughter house scenes.

Your thoughts?

Paul

Not having seen it can't really comment other than to say according to surveys in America, the average American male today carries about 5 pounds of undigested, putrefied red meat in his gut.

Something I heard about 10 years ago and haven't eaten beef or lamb since then.

If this was to be marketed at a US market - I would have thought it would be included to reduce the amount of red meat consummed.

(end of my 2 cents worth)

I guess, it just seemed a little 'harsh', it was a little upsetting to see pigs being strung up alive and cows being dragged through mud by one leg etc. It also showed birds too so it wasn't just aimed at red meat, it seemed to be meat in general.

The thought of the putrefied red meat is enough to put me off! heh.

If you follow the logic of Atkins, which is that you can't put weight on by eating protein, only by eating carbs, then this has absolutely no relevance at all to weight loss.

FYI - I have never followed the Atkins diet per se, but rather discovered a book called 'Tired of Being Tired', written by an American doctor, which promotes exactly the same theory as Atkins, but advocates cutting down on carbs to lose weight, rather than cutting them out totally. This I have tried, and it turned my life around.

If you want to talk about a healthy diet, there are a whole host of issues involved in the meat industry, such as nasty chemicals, anti-biotics, etc, and as far as health is concerned, too much modern meat is not a good thing. Organic meat, on the other hand, is undoubtedly less problematic.

I have to assume that if we're talking weight loss only, and not healthy diet, the scenes in question are there to promote Robbins' agenda.

Hi Phil,

I'd love to hear more about the book you mentioned, I too am 'Tired of being tired'.

Paul

Atkins - being a fairly dangerous diet to be on - works as the messages from Protien take less time to reach the hunger centre of the brain. (according to latest research the volume of food eaten by those on Atkins was significantly less than low fat diets). The process of ketosis is also dangerous in the long term.

But I guess this video forms part of Robbins' larger agenda.

(The process of ketosis is also dangerous in the long term.)i

Dangerous in what way? Compared to what?

During the time I spent in ketosis (about two months), I had more energy than ever before, my cholestrol went down, my skin got clearer, my hair grew faster, my resting heart rate and blood pressure went to their optimum levels, I digested food faster, I slept deeper... and there were many more good things besides.

Ketosis in the long term damages your kidneys, firstly and then can also damage other organs.
Compared to what - compared to eating a healthy diet that contains both protien and carbs.

(A tell-tale sign of ketosis is acetone breath, sometimes described as an odor that is a cross between nail polish and over-ripe pineapple. Fatigue and constipation, sometimes accompanied with nausea and vomiting, are common side effects. If one continues to be in a ketotic state, the stresses placed on the body can lead to kidney damage, gout, osteoporosis, heart disease and cancer.

Kidney Disease: When people eat too much protein, additional strain is placed on the kidneys. Large amounts of protein cause nitrogen to be released into the blood, which the kidneys must filter out and excrete in the urine.

Gout: During ketosis, a chemical called uric acid begins to build up in the blood. This promotes the development of gout, a painful condition of the toes and joints.

Osteoporosis: When excess protein, especially from animal sources, is eaten for an extended time, the body flushes more calcium out through urine, which may contribute to osteoporosis.)i

For full article (well one amongst many) http://www.ext.colostate.edu/pubs/co.../nn000905.html

Whilst Atkins has proved useful, it's benefits are based mostly on the fact that the calorie intake is lowered, this leads to weight loss. The same is true of many other diets, but they tend to have the added benefits of eating foods that can help with other long term health gains.

The central theme of 'Tired of Being Tired' is that there is more to life than work, work and work. If you don't eat properly, take some form of regular exercise and learn to relax, you'll eventually wear youself into the ground.

The section on diet was of particular interest, especially the bit about the caffeine / sugar rollercoaster, and the long term effects on the body. The author has a conviction that we eat far too much processed white sugar in the modern diet, hidden in convenience food, and this coupled with the caffeine and aspartamine in soft drinks is responsible for the majority of behavioral problems in children and diseases in adults, which we simply did not see 50 years ago.

What Atkins achieves by cutting out the carbs, is to stop the intake of processed white sugar, which is just evil, the devil's j*sm, and according to the author more addictive than cocaine or heroin. When was the last time you had a single biscuit out of a packet? Eat one, and you keep right on munching. Manufacturer's put large quantities of sugar in their goods to sell more of them, this simple.

The reason people on Atkin's eat less is because they're off the sugar.

Check the book out on Amazon, it's not expensive and well worth the read - a great book to have in the armoury.

Thanks Phil, I'll check it out.

I'm particularly interested in the diet aspect of things, I'm sure that's the main reason I'm regularly feeling tired.

Cheers

Paul

Paul

''I've just watched an Anthony Robbins DVD on weight loss and I'm left feeling a little confused.

The video showed clips of heart surgery to be used as an interrupt, which are relevant, but then it showed scenes from an 'unsanitary animal slaughter'. I was pretty sickened by it and I don't see what relevance it has to weight loss?''

None. But if you buy a Tony Robbins product whadya expect?

Incidentally, for a light hearted view of Tony's stage magic, check here:

http://www.lynxfeather.net/nest/humo...redstates.html

Best wishes

Jack

Jack,

thanks for the Robbins link, most amusing. A friend of mine (not John) has gone Robbins' mad, and can't get enough of the chap, so it was good to read a neutral opinion.

Anyway, out of curiosity I was on Robbins Europe last week, checking out the prices for Feb's shindig, or rather trying to, as they're not posted anywhere in sight. So this morning I got a call from Robbins Europe, asking 'how can they fulfill my training needs and facilitate my journey towards the better person I wish to become?'

I had great fun playing with the guy on the other end of the phone, who didn't shut up about how great Robbins is for a full half hour. As he was calling my mobile, I figured why not? It's not like Tony can't afford it. He'd give me a high energy 'you want this, yeah?' and I'd say 'yes'. Then he'd go for a second 'yes', then a third, at which point I'd give him a 'no'. And so on, you get the idea. At the end of half an hour, He'd tried everything he could think of, but still no sale. Went away with tail between legs - for now. I reckon he'll be thinking what to say next, tonight, and be back again tomorrow morning with 'an offer I can't refuse, because Tony is just such an inspirational guy, and I've seen him 12 times you know.'

When he comes back tomorrow, and I think I've got the hang of Robbins' sales now, I shall ask 'if Tony's so damned inspirational, why are you still working for him, and not yourself?'. ;-)

Stay tuned...

(When he comes back tomorrow, and I think I've got the hang of Robbins' sales now, I shall ask 'if Tony's so damned inspirational, why are you still working for him, and not yourself?)i

Heh good point, I doubt very much he knows anything about Robbins work other than the sales spiel.

I'm sure the people who work for him go to the courses and stuff?

Just on the weight loss subject, at the seminar I got someone to change my desire for wheat, dairy and chocolate.

I haven't eaten any (obvious onces) since, though I do realise it is sometimes in the food as part of a recipe.

I do not wish to remove it completely as I have been informed that it would make me very sensitive to it.

Since the seminar and I have lots more energy, no more mood swings and I have lost 8lbs!! can't be bad...though must admit to a craving for grapefruits for the first 2/3 weeks..I guess replacing the sugar fix!

The weight is still coming off, I have dropped a dress size and I am more focused rather than needing to sleep in the afternoon and feeling ratty with a lack of concentration!!

Michelle

phill

That was nearly as good as the stuff on the link I posted ;-)

BTW, did you know that a guy called Jack Black did work for the Robbins organisation then figured out he would be better off working for himself?

He started well - got a book published, ran seminars, made some TV appearances, etc. But I haven't heard anything about him for ages.

Best wishes

Jack

Hmmm, the purpose of a Diet is to sell you another Diet.

''Eat less and get a bit more exercise'' is the best one.

I can highly recommend ''Balancelog'' for help with eating less. My Partner and I used it last year and both lost a couple of stone without major pain. Combined with 3 or 4 visits to the gym each week you don't have to cut out the fun stuff either.

Nick in ''sunny'' Southampton

Hi Everyone

I read the posts with interest. Here are my points:

Having attended the Tony Robbins' Living Health seminar at Unleash the Power Within in London some years ago, I successfully gave up eating meat as a result of finding out what they do to animals in slaughter houses. I lost half a stone with going on his 10 day detox diet which involves leaving out sugar, salt, meat and dairy products.

Unleash the Power Within transformed my life in many ways, and I owe Tony my life as I was not in a good place then with no will to live. Now I am full of passion, as Tony says: "Live With Passion!"

Tony has raised the popularity of NLP and is still the number one in the world, and the most successful trainer and peak performance coach. Just look at his results. He is inspired to help people.

Jack Black did a seminar called MindStore, and developed a unique identity for himself. I met him personally and have his products. He is based in Scotland and still conducts seminars.

Best Regards

Bano

Bano,

Tony is inspirational and has helped many people. He also has helped promote NLP as you said it but he has done so as much as he has also made many people believe NLP is *just* about motivation, passion enhancement, etc. and even made some people believe it is just a hype sold on infomercials.

I don't know him personally, I have many of his cds, dvds and books and he is OK for a starting point in this field and he is OK or even great to inspire many people (such as yourslef) to change some things. Note: You had enough motivation and will to live to sign up to a program such as his. Yet if Tony helped you then it is nice of you to say it.

The point that started the discussion is "impossing his beliefs" about what to eat and to me the problem is not even impossing it as much as HOW he imposses them. One thing is to say I believe and recommend to stop eating meat and another is to force people by conditioning (using all those images, etc). He knows about anchoring, he knows about shifting beliefs... so he is intentionally programming his own on his audience.

A guy in Mexico follows his example and uses his style to turn people into catholics... he makes so that other religions are disgusting, bad, etc. Sure he helps many catholics to have a stronger faith and helps them with many emotional things yet not all of us want to be turned into catholics or back into catholics (as the case may be).

I am glad he (Tony) inspires so many people and I hope he continues to do so. I wish he wouldn't abuse NLP to impose his ideas about health (even if some of them are great).

I played professionaly two sports and I eat a lot of meat (and drink lots of coca-cola) and last medical examination turned out I am in perfect health so... meat is not the one critical variable in this equation. Might be for some people, but a truly professional (experts in diets) will test the person (complete study) before deciding if he or she needs to stop eating something.

Anyway, my belief is someone wants to lose weight... first check with a medical doctor, then use whatever system works for you which won't place in danger your health.

Good luck
Gabe

Hi, I'm off to see Tony next week, So I will report back, I agree with Gabe about meat. In my humble opinion excerise as as much to do with digestion. ie if people sit on their bums all day most foods will fester in their guts, just my belief .
I'm sure I will enjoy the experience. I only have one concern, having been "Bandlered". Its the fire walk!!! Why when I think of cool moss do I keep getting pictures of my feet between two burger buns with a little sweet corn on the side

Kindest Regards,
Mike.