Wow! I can't wait til my book comes out.

bobharper wrote:

For those who haved posted sarcastic comments (and you know who you are) you may want to keep in mind that NLP is about having attitude not an attitude.

Having attitude doesn't preclude making reasonable assumptions about people based on their behaviour. Especially when there are plenty of prior instances along similar lines.

I tend to think of NLP connections as a bit like a practise group. A friendly group of people who like to discuss NLP and are pleased to welcome new people.

If someone walks into the local practise group and says "Hello" people will generally go over and say "Hello" and make them feel welcome.

Most new visitors to a practise group will listen to other people first and get a feel for the place before they begin to get involved.

If someone were to walk into a practise group and immediately say " I just read this great book let me tell you all about it" without even saying hello. People might think they were a little eccentric but would probably welcome them all the same.

If they were followed in quick succession by 4 other people saying exactly the same thing then the group might feel they were being taken advantage of by someone looking to push their book.

Adrian,
An assumption needs checking out not insults, abuse and slurs on character. I agree that it would have been more useful if I had told the people I asked to post to also state I had invited them to NLP Connections and to post on the review, but only Chirs chose to encorage them to make other posts and verify themselves. Something that would have sorted out their ligitimacy.

People on this forum just chose to make what I consider rude and abusive comments rather than check out any details. I'm fairly sure there are better ways of dealing with a "reasonable assumption."

Rintu

Nick,
Obviously I am trying to market my book.

I originally asked a few customer to join because stupidly I thought the forum would be good for them and I could get benefit from their comments on the book. I don't see any issue in this. My thougth was it would be good for my customer base, good for the forum and yes good for my book as well. Why do you have an issue with this?

Rintu

Hi Rinty
and one biiiiiiig THANK YOU from my side for giving me the opportunity of having and reading such a wonderful book.
I am an NLP Business Practitioner and will conitue my education in the NLP because I am pretty sure in the success it will bring me.
Therefore I recommend to the people who made the attacks - hey people (you well know who you are, me - don't want to know you) - you better change for your own good and show your appreciation to Rinty BECAUSE when you read the book and start practicing it, then you will feel the great benefit it gives and would add that having a positive attitude will bring you back all the other positive things.
I don't personaly know Rinty, nor I am working for him.
YET I RECCOMED THIS PARTICULAR BOOK TO ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
BECAUSE when they start using what Rinty has written, their sky, as mine, will be limitless.

You keep missing the context. Lots of people go to local practise groups to sell their books, audio, courses and whatever else they have to sell.

BUT

They check the place out first and say hello rather than trooping in with a load of friends, saying "buy my book " and then leave.

Even if you are not interested in the social niceties, you will sell more books if you establish yourself before setting up your stall.

Nick,
I understand what you are saying and would add I can't send this out as a set of process instructions to my customer base...join the forum, post a few threads and in a couple of weeks add a comment to the review of my book.

What I said was join the forum as it could be useful for you and take a moment to add a comment to the review of my book.

I don't completely agree with the practice group analogy the behaviour I see regularly on this forum is not something I would want or have ever seen in a practice group.

For me the issue is not the fact they came and made comment without introducing themselves first but the fact that they and I were accused of some pretty nasty things in a very nasty way without anyone checking out the facts.

I think Chris had it right by encouraging them to post on other threads and inviting them in. That might have got you some new members that were contributing. I can't imagine any of them wanting to stay after this treatment.

Rintu

Hi everyone,

I just checked this thread and noticed there have been some
interesting comments.

I had to look up 'sock puppet' and found this on the old Wikipedia:

"A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception
within an online community. In its earliest usage, a
sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an
Internet community speaks with or about oneself, pretending to
be a different person,[1] like a ventriloquist manipulating a hand
puppet."

Now I don't know for sure whether Rintu is doing this or not, I'm
inclined to believe they are his real customers.

I am sorry if I have offended any of the community, yes, the review
was my first post to NLP Connections. I was under the
impression I had posted to the correct place:

NLP Connections > Other sections > Reviews

As far as I know I haven't violated any posting rules, I simply
posted my review in the 'review' section.

Please accept my apologies for not getting to know the social
dynamics / etiquette of the group before making my first
post.

My mistake, all the best, love, Colin.
www.NLPToolBox.com

Adrian - seeing as you identified yourself, assumptions based on other people's previous behaviour is an excuse not a reason even if their are plenty of prior instances along similar lines.

THis is the first time I ever join a forum, let alone on discussion.
The traditional teaching in China is that you have to rewrite, rewrite and rewrite to make sure that you could give out something meaningful because what you speak/write represent youreself and your character. We say 'a word worth a thousand catty of gold'. In the past, it may take months to write an essay and years (or a life time) to write a book.
It is just too easy to speak or write superficially nowadays in our liberal society in the name of freedom of speech.
Reading is easy for me. Writing a note of appreciation is also very simple.
However, writing a review of a good book is not an easy job for me. I demand myself to delve into the book and read and read and then practice in order to do a good job of writing a comment of high standard.
It is simply too irritable to see all the unresponsible comments/remarks from those who have not read and think seriously and show no basic respect for others. It is more than sarcastic. I would try to use too strong a word like naive or ignorance.

The below are emails that I have exchanged with Rintu
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1月7日
RintuSubject: A comment from Liu Yui Kai

a form has been submitted on January 7, 2009, via: /techniques/contact-us [IP 210.0.229.224]
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Your NameLiu Yui Kai

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Testimonial:
This is the only testimonial that I have ever written for material that I have bought through the internet. I love your e-book persuasion skills black book before I have gone through 1/4th of the book. You are a real master. The first pattern actually means more than redining. It is an extension/expansion of the mind or sleight of mouth. One has to know what one is really talking and thinking. The first 24 pages already worth the price of the whole book. I love your book even more than those written by Joe Vitale (of course his books are brilliant).
The other thing being that I have no chance to meet you in person (I have been to Glasgow last year attaching to the Royal infirmary's stroke unit). What a shame! I would go through the whole book again and again hoping that I would be a very persusaive physician. Thank you for your good work.

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Hi Rindu,

I hope you would not mind me calling you a real master (if you consider it a flattery, then I would say you are an excellent teacher).

To be specific, you made the NLP language patterns very clear and explicit and 'digestible'. I have been doing some of them by trial and error with some success. My patients like me a lot saying that I am very nice and kind and persuasiive. After reading your book, I know why I have succeeded and that means that I could improve further. You also demonstrate by your writing that you walk what you talk. As I understand (by studying philosophy, especially Buddhist philosophy, psychology in addition to NLP), what you demonstrate is actually your deep understanding and mastery of the mind rather than the use of language alone.That's what I admire most and I think you could not deny that.

Your e-book is so well structured. I feel compelled to read on and on, not, because of the hypnotic language pattern but because it is a real pleasure to keep reading and learning from you (I have gone through half of the book yet).

I have actually read a dozen of books of NLP (in English or Chinese) and none of them (I mean on the topic of hypnotic language pattern) comes near to yours. They could give all the patterns and details but there is something lacking.

I have the luck to meet & learn from a few masters in various discipline (philosopher, Taichi master, coach) and I have the ability to tell the difference between a good teacher and a great teacher. You are a great one in my heart.

I am inspired by you and your writing to become a good and persuasive doctor.
Best regards,
Liu (from Hong Kong)
2009/1/7 Rintu Basu <info@thenlpcompany.com>
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Hi Liu,
Thanks for saying. The feedback is very much appreciated.

Might see you in London perhaps?

Cheers

Rintu

Rintu Basu
Director and Head of Training
The NLP Company
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841

From: NLP Techniques | Neuro Linguistic Programming [mailto:wordpress@thenlpcompany.com]
Sent: 07 January 2009 08:54
To: info@thenlpcompany.com
Subject: A comment from Liu Yui Kai

a form has been submitted on January 7, 2009, via: /techniques/contact-us [IP 210.0.229.224]
Send Us Your Message
Your NameLiu Yui Kai


Hi Liu,
Thank you for such kind words. I was so taken with what you said it has taken me a little while to get over it…my sometimes business partner has insisted that I put them up on the site as well. So thank you for taking the time to write.

Sorry about the London thing. Someone phone from London I didn’t quite catch the name and it was something similar to yours. I suggested they bought the book and just assumed this must have been you.

Speak soon

Rintu

Rintu Basu
Director and Head of Training
The NLP Company
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841

From: yk liu [mailto:ykliuem@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2009 14:33
To: info@thenlpcompany.com
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Hi Rintu,

Just want to let you know that I have a burning desire to enroll in your advanced persuasion pattern programme and am disapointed (that I have come across your book and courses before) that it is oversubscribed for the time being.
It's my conviction that I could thrive and benefits a lot of people with the skill that I would get from your programme.

I am good at perusasion and am prepared to be an excellent one and hopefully a master.

Maybe I need more practice to prepare myself for this programme.

Regards,
Liu
2009/1/10 Rintu Basu <info@thenlpcompany.com>
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The NLP Company
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841

From: yk liu [mailto:ykliuem@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 January 2009 14:33
To: info@thenlpcompany.com

Director and Head of Training
The NLP Company
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841



Hi Liu,
The course will be available again for about 20 people on Tuesday. If you really want a place I will make sure I keep a place back for you specifically.

Cheers

Rintu

Rintu Basu
Author
The Persuasion Skills Black Book
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841

From: yk liu [mailto:ykliuem@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2009 04:16
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Hi Liu,
This is advanced, advanced notification. The page is up again now. The email will go out tomorrow at 7.40 local time. I thought I would let you know even earlier because there are so few places. The link is Persuasion Skills | Persuasion Techniques | NLP Language Patterns Hope you enjoy it.

Cheers

Rintu

Rintu Basu
Author
The Persuasion Skills Black Book
Email: info@theNLPCompany.com
Web site: www.theNLPcompany.com
Tel: 0141 275 4841

From: yk liu [mailto:ykliuem@gmail.com]
Sent: 19 January 2009 04:29
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HI Rintu,

I could hardly wait!

Regards,
Liu
2009/1/19 Rintu Basu <info@thenlpcompany.com>



yk liu [mailto:ykliuem@gmail.com]
Sent: 18 January 2009 04:16






Hi Liu,
Thanks for subscribing. It doesn’t look like you have signed up yet. Were you not directed to the page after you subscribed? Anyway here is the link the page you need to sign in from (link removed) you have signed in all the lessons will get sent to the email address you subscribed to automatically every week.

On a separate note I would like to ask a favour. NLP Connections - Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) Resources This link will take you to an NLP Forum. I will very soon send a blanket email to the whole list to suggest that they join. You might find some interesting threads, ideas and people to talk with. But the reason I am asking you initially is because Colin has done a review of The persuasion Skills Black Book under the review section and I am looking for some people to add to it. I would be really grateful if you could add a comment of two about the book
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It took me more than 40 minutes to write this reply, just to show my respect to Rintu. You don't know you are losing in being 'skeptical'. If another like or doubt, I could buy him a copy of the e-book as a gift to open his eye. Fair enough?

Is it even possible to lock threads?

To Andrew Bradbury,
It would be delightful to hear all about where you learned your Persuasive Skills and NLP as they were hard to recognize in your post. I think it's far easier to criticize but you never offered any positive suggestions to that gentleman’s post, in regard to dealing with a difficult coworker. Most other folks in the forum have been far more construcive. Please refer to the gentleman who was having sucess with the information, as well as the help I tried to provide, and enlighten the rest of us. I'm sure I, and everyone in the forum would enjoy your insight, wouldn't they? If an obvious "tag question" to reduce your resistance to offer your constructive and friendly insight as to how you would have handled the coworker, it is just because I am so curious. Thank you in advance, for focusing your response to that gentleman's post in question and not on, "student responses" or information in a book you probably have not read. That would only add to the condesending tone of your last response, wouldn't it? Instead, why not take this chance to share the knowledge and master's insight, you have yet to offer. That's what this forum is really about isn't it, to help each other. Please teach us.
Tom

Quote Bob Harper "For those who haved posted sarcastic comments (and you know who you are) you may want to keep in mind that NLP is about having attitude not an attitude."

I thought it was about having the choice...

Quote Rintu (the Persuader)
"I am sorry I asked some of my customers to join the site and add their comments to the review. I am sorry that I can’t control their comments to be more “believable”. It didn’t occur to me to ask them to “persuade” others to buy the book, I only asked them to make a comment."

You keep appologising all through your posts. "I am sorry...."

Quote Rintu (the Issue Solver) "I am also sorry that I took the bait and rose to what I consider rude, insulting and childish comments. Particularly after Chris took an approach to encourage them to make posts on other threads which was more welcoming and would have sorted the issue easily."

Who is insulting whom?

Quote Rintu (the Angry Persuader) "In my defence I asked a couple of people to join because I thought they would benefit from the forum and I would benefit from their comments on my book. I was more than a little angry at their initial treatment at the hands of this forum and embarrassed about the fact that I recommended this forum in the first place."

Why do you feel you need to defend yourself? (this is just one of your posts)

Really Rintu. No doubt your book is very persuasive but reading through your posts, they all run through the same argument again and again and it is one you keep losing and just plain wearing out.

There's my 2 cents worth.

your dice

[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Nick Haynes[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']“If someone walks into the local practise group and says "Hello" people will generally go over and say "Hello" and make them feel welcome.

Most new visitors to a practise group will listen to other people first and get a feel for the place before they begin to get involved.”[/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']You know, I completely agree. [/FONT]
[FONT='Verdana','sans-serif'] And yet here I am gonna stick my neck out. When I made my first post to say hello, there was 1 response to welcome me. Bridget McKenna. And to Bridget, Thank you. I have admitted being PAINFULY new to NLP, and with a few exceptions, ( Jason Pearson, Bridget McKenna, Nick Haynes, Michael DeBusk, John Humberstone, Venus Brown, Carol Robertson, ( Of course Chris Morris)Stephen Woolston, Tony West, and a few others I can’t think of at the moment) The few times I have posted ( this will make 9) I have been pounced on. I guess it is better to just keep my mouth shut. Watch, look listen and learn. To the ones I mentioned above I want to thank you for your help and guidance and suggestions. To the rest of you that feel the constant need to criticize … Your map sure as hell isn’t the same as mine. Just because my map is different doesn’t make it wrong. It just makes it mine.[/FONT]

Suggestable wrote:

Quote Bob Harper "For those who haved posted sarcastic comments (and you know who you are) you may want to keep in mind that NLP is about having attitude not an attitude."

I thought it was about having the choice...

Quote Rintu (the Persuader)
"I am sorry I asked some of my customers to join the site and add their comments to the review. I am sorry that I can’t control their comments to be more “believable”. It didn’t occur to me to ask them to “persuade” others to buy the book, I only asked them to make a comment."

You keep appologising all through your posts. "I am sorry...."

Quote Rintu (the Issue Solver) "I am also sorry that I took the bait and rose to what I consider rude, insulting and childish comments. Particularly after Chris took an approach to encourage them to make posts on other threads which was more welcoming and would have sorted the issue easily."

Who is insulting whom?

Quote Rintu (the Angry Persuader) "In my defence I asked a couple of people to join because I thought they would benefit from the forum and I would benefit from their comments on my book. I was more than a little angry at their initial treatment at the hands of this forum and embarrassed about the fact that I recommended this forum in the first place."

Why do you feel you need to defend yourself? (this is just one of your posts)

Really Rintu. No doubt your book is very persuasive but reading through your posts, they all run through the same argument again and again and it is one you keep losing and just plain wearing out.

There's my 2 cents worth.

I agree NLP is about having choice...It just would have been nice for some respect for people even if it isn't an NLP Sound Bite

You are right I have apologised a lot. I am genuinely sorry that I recommended this site to any of my customers and I think I am over compensating.

I am being accused of using sock puppets, I find that insulting. Maybe your model of the world is more thick skined than mine but I found some of the posts on this thread insulting. I think they stand out but if you are having problems noticing which ones send me a pm and I will point them out directly for you and that should give you who I feel insulted by.

I feel the need to defend myself because I feel attacked. I understand that some people would want the initial posters to verify themselves and contribute to other threads...but I don't think (other than Chris's post) anyone stopped to welcome or encourage them to do this.

I also agree I am repeating myself. This is mainly because I am answering the same point over and over again. Perhaps we can discuss the assumptions made and how this was checked out...or basic respect for people as a way of moving the discussion on.

Thanks for your 2 cents I hope this has clarified my position for you

Rintu

Quote "I agree NLP is about having choice...It just would have been nice for some respect for people even if it isn't an NLP Sound Bite"

Please give us a chance to be respectful. ‘slaggnig people off’ doesn’t help your case or influence to be respectful. You should know better. Shamefull it is. Really is.

Quote "You are right I have apologised a lot. I am genuinely sorry that I recommended this site to any of my customers and I think I am over compensating."

There you go again. “sorry…..”. That insistant placating is likely to make many people angry.

Quote "I am being accused of using sock puppets, I find that insulting. Maybe your model of the world is more thick skined than mine but I found some of the posts on this thread insulting. I think they stand out but if you are having problems noticing which ones send me a pm and I will point them out directly for you and that should give you who I feel insulted by."

You seem to be an insult to the reputation of your book, in my opinion. (Gosh, I hope the book is better than this!)

Quote "I feel the need to defend myself because I feel attacked. I understand that some people would want the initial posters to verify themselves and contribute to other threads...but I don't think (other than Chris's post) anyone stopped to welcome or encourage them to do this."

A compassionate plea will get you out of a sticky situation (this time) but only because I am a compassionate person (boo hoo)

Quote "I also agree I am repeating myself. This is mainly because I am answering the same point over and over again. Perhaps we can discuss the assumptions made and how this was checked out...or basic respect for people as a way of moving the discussion on."

Now, that’s funny

All I was trying to say is that not only do you get a very useful book the support you get is invaluable. Rintu is NOT there to simply take your money - he genuinely wants you to succeed as well - now that is something worth noting. He has personally replied to all the emails I have sent with detailed information which I think will prove invaluable to my telesales role. You can think this is all a ploy to get you to buy but I am being totally honest. If you want ne to email you personally I can forward some of his emails to you. Can't say fairer than that !.

liu wrote:

You don't know you are losing in being 'skeptical'. If another like or doubt, I could buy him a copy of the e-book as a gift to open his eye. Fair enough?

I come into this thread late, but Liu, that is a very interesting offer. You already have the book, are you seriously offering to send a copy to anyone who wants one? Very much fair enough ! Can I PM you an e mail address for the book?