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Message posted: 22nd Dec 08, 09:04 am
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And to avoid international postage and dollar exchange rate fun, you can also get them from Paul's site for £125 or NLP-Cds for £105!

Frugally ,

Joseph.

peter108 wrote:
Thanks Stephen
I will check it out.

Peter

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Message posted: 22nd Dec 08, 11:39 am
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


Michael Beale at NLP-CDs not only offers the cheaper rate; you can also be assured of getting them, fast. I recommend getting them from him.


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Message posted: 22nd Dec 08, 02:22 pm
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


You are right Stephen, you can get the link at purenlp (John La Valle's site) or directly at his store www.nlpstore.com or more specifically The*NLP*Store*::*Videos...

The Andy tapes I believe are not available anymore but I am not sure. However those can be found every once in a while in e-bay and sites like that one.

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Message posted: 22nd Dec 08, 02:40 pm
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


Thanks gabe

Peter

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Message posted: 22nd Dec 08, 02:54 pm
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


The Andy Tapes are on DVD now and available from Anglo American. I highly recommend them. ;o)

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Message posted: 23rd Dec 08, 11:21 am
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redser wrote:
Hi Peter,

The "15 minutes" is an exageration but I have heard RB in interview say (paraphrasing here), "I have developed a phobia cure that works in 15 minutes and am working to do it faster" (a very loose paraphrase).

So, I guess you could say that it comes from the top.

Richard Bandler and John LaValle are both gifter communicators with many years of experience of doing what they do. Their skills and abilities are not in question - not by me.

Please don't take me wrong and believe that my siggestion that these videos need to be seen by trainees is a slur on Richard Bandler's abilities. I know that he is a great operator and, like him, I share an interest in the treatment of phobias. This needs to be shown to people, I think, for the very reasons that someone (although not, I suspect, Steve's reasons) might question them. Here is a master of his art and a client that is clearly not skipping onto the plane. Sometimes treating phobics is easy - sometimes it is a 5 mintute job. However, in the real world there are people who won't be fixed that quick. Students need to know this and know what to do if it happens to them.


Regards,
Stephen


Sadly it's not 15' but 20'





Have fun

Bart

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Message posted: 23rd Dec 08, 12:55 pm
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virtualAngel wrote:
Hi Steve,

I am not sure where you get that they are 'trying to spin it as a success' the language he uses clearly shows that he is accepting that she has some more work to do on this in relation to that time point in the process.

I transcribe his words verbatim " ... the only thing I want you to pay attention to is how much better you did, you notice how much better it's getting each time, eventually it will just clear.......... You go ' if I can do this then I can do the rest....." He is using language to post hypnotically suggest the future outcomes...... genius at work IMHO

The long term success is that she was able to see her grandaughter and that Richard had given her the tools to use herself to be able to get to the point where she was able to get the flight.

With much respect
Nina
Hey Nina,

The "long term" success can only be testified by the woman in question, which wasn't the case here. And 2 weeks is not long term in my book.
It would be great though if there can be a follow up interview done with her.

Where there other sessions done before or after she took the plane 2 weeks later? Was she alone on the plane or had she some support?

We don't know from the vids.

Have fun

Bart

PS: does someone have a reference link to the Shining Path hijacking?

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Message posted: 23rd Dec 08, 06:53 pm
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bart wrote:
Sadly it's not 15' but 20'
Yeah, that Paul McKenna is a real slacker. I love those two videos, and had to watch them again all the way through for the payoff of the difference in that woman's face and body between three steps up a ladder and 3500' above the Earth. Wowza.


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Message posted: 23rd Dec 08, 09:06 pm
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BMcKenna wrote:
Yeah, that Paul McKenna is a real slacker. I love those two videos, and had to watch them again all the way through for the payoff of the difference in that woman's face and body between three steps up a ladder and 3500' above the Earth. Wowza.

whys paul mckenna a slacker?

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Message posted: 23rd Dec 08, 09:12 pm
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undersecter wrote:
whys paul mckenna a slacker?
That was by way of a joke - he took 20 minutes (not counting the work he was doing when the woman "wasn't in a trance") to do the job instead of the 15 that was discussed earlier in the thread.


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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 01:46 am
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


I can cure phobia's in Second Life and have done a dentist phobia in 10 minutes and a dog phobia.

Dentist lady even felt friggin motivated to make an appointment, which she did the next day and her husband, who witnessed the whole session in SL, verified that she went the next day - where as before even stepping into the dentist surgery door would have been traumatic, she was able to not only walk in with no qualms, but also have an injection WITHOUT being knocked out.

Each case is different and requires different things.. but the most important thing that Richard teaches us is to believe in our clients more than they believe in themselves... and that's what I did with this lady.

Happy Holidays
Nina

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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 04:31 am
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


Whoa...you cured a dog phobia online??? Did its owner operate the keyboard on hir behalf? And what was the dog phobic about?

;-)

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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 05:04 am
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redser wrote:
I sincerely believe that these videos should be part of any new NLP Practitioner's training
I think the best part about the video is that she was afraid of going into movie theaters! Muahaha!

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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 09:17 am
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Hi Nina,

Are SL dentists as scary as the real ones?





Merry Christmas

Stephen


virtualAngel wrote:
I can cure phobia's in Second Life and have done a dentist phobia in 10 minutes and a dog phobia.

Dentist lady even felt friggin motivated to make an appointment, which she did the next day and her husband, who witnessed the whole session in SL, verified that she went the next day - where as before even stepping into the dentist surgery door would have been traumatic, she was able to not only walk in with no qualms, but also have an injection WITHOUT being knocked out.

Each case is different and requires different things.. but the most important thing that Richard teaches us is to believe in our clients more than they believe in themselves... and that's what I did with this lady.

Happy Holidays
Nina

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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 08:50 pm
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adrian r wrote:
Whoa...you cured a dog phobia online??? Did its owner operate the keyboard on hir behalf? And what was the dog phobic about?

;-)
HAHAHA..... well he was feeling a bit 'ruff' at the time.. LOL

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Message posted: 25th Dec 08, 08:56 pm
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redser wrote:
Hi Nina,

Are SL dentists as scary as the real ones?





Merry Christmas

Stephen
Hehehe,, funny you should mention it.. she was actually scared of the Dentists in RL due to one being really nasty and rough with her as a little girl.. in SL I was able to put on a red clown nose... like the one in my youtube video... and imagining I was the dentist.. I said "look at me when I am talking to you.. this is serious you know".. and she looked at me with the red nose on (I had it on) and cracked up.... then I knew my job was done .. it was all plain sailing from there... we did some future pacing about how proud hubby would be etc etc... job done

Merry Xmas.. couldn't resist staying away from pc.... too much tv for my liking.. tommorrow, its down the gym in the garden shed.

Nina

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Message posted: 26th Dec 08, 03:13 am
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This thread stuck a chord with me only yesterday when discussing with someone the possibility of hypnosis for smoking cessation, to which she replied:

"Hypnosis doesn't work for me, I was hypnotised to cure my fear of flying 6 months ago, just before I flew to France, I was still petrified!"

That's a fair comment I said, but tell me, what was it like flying the 8,000 miles you've done this week just to be here with your boyfriend for Christmas?

"I only flew here so I could be with him"

I understand, but you flew alone, on 4 different aircraft, don't you think you've conquered the flying thing?

"Well the hypnosis was 6 months ago I don't think it was that that helped"

Ok, enjoy the red wine!

Was it the hypnosis that 'cured' her fear of flying? maybe. I did find it interesting that she discounted the possibility though. Ho hum.

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Message posted: 26th Dec 08, 02:01 pm
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Hi Stephen,

I do think that is one of the 'pitfalls' of this work. The irony is that because people like to feel that is they who are in control, the hypnotist often doesn't get the credit for elegant work and especially if they allow the client to believe it was the client who healed themselves. I think giving the client this sense of control over their own fears is a wonderful and necessary thing for it to have a lasting effect.

One of the unspoken taboo's is not to give the game away that it was something you/the hypnotist did or said that worked and just allow the client to believe it was of their own doing. This is both the nature and a side effect of working with the unconscious mind. As hypnotists we have to bow out graciously when it serves the needs of the client :0)

If we were to push home that it was the hypnosis that cured you.. they may revert out of defiance back to their old ways just maintain that control they desire. So sometimes 'mum' really is the word. But it is grand when they do put the success down to the work you/the hypnotist did.

Best wishes
Nina

errmm.. what happened to my post hypnotic suggestion to exercise today?. I am sure I had one around here somewhere

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Message posted: 26th Dec 08, 11:02 pm
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Re: Richard Bandler The Hypnotist


Thanks to Bart for posting the Paul McKenna video of curing a woman of a flying phobia.


It shows vividly the kind of response that I expect from a successful session. The client’s response to the context that previously elicited the fear response should be the same as to any other ordinary context or event—unless it is standing in the open ramp of an old propeller cargo plane! The first few times often include an admixture of surprise, pleasure, or triumph, and a fascination with what they had previously been afraid of.
Bandler’s client at the end of her plane ride does not show any of these responses, which is why I made my original post describing it as a failure. There is no shame in a failure, but to describe a failure as a success is something else, and implicitly teaches people to disregard the quite obvious nonverbal signals that indicate that.
Below is another example of a successful outcome. Paul had had a fear of heights and edges since he was 7 years old when he looked over the edge of a large ship—42 years ago. Since his fear didn’t change in response to the standard fast phobia cure, it didn’t seem to be a typical phobia. I used Nick Kemp’s version of Richard Bandler’s spinning feelings with him in an August 2008 NLP training seminar. The entire session from beginning of information gathering through testing took 14 minutes, including some teaching points, some questions, and a joke. However from the time I told Paul to go ahead and do the process, the actual change took less than 30 seconds. Paul’s first surprised words were, “It’s gone!” The video below was taken two days later as Paul tested his response to being on the steep edge of a road—where two weeks before he had been unable to even look out of the car that he was riding in.
YouTube - Fear of heights follow-up testing after spinning feelings
Steve Andreas

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Message posted: 27th Dec 08, 03:38 am
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steveandreas wrote:
It shows vividly the kind of response that I expect from a successful session.
So you have a definition of "failure" that is at odds with most people's. That's perfectly cool, and you're entitled to it, but I wish you'd have said so at the beginning of the thread.

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