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Some time ago I posted asking if anyone new of any training organisations in North Yorkshire as I was moving up from Wiltshire and wanted to do my Master Practitioners. I got a little feedback generally pointing me in the direction of Bronze Dragon / Resourceful Change (Bellini / Callaghan).

My advice to anyone considering a course with these companies or individuals is to STAY WELL CLEAR, I am.

The reason I feel the need to warn people is because of the following:

I got in touch through private messaging with an individual who was praising them and also an individual who has been treated in a nasty and unforgivable way. Both individuals had signed up to do the Masters Practitioners course with Callaghan in July '07.

One of the individuals told me they got a call 4 days before the course was due to start informing them that only 2 people in total will now be attending the course and would they be ok with this. After some consideration the individual decided not to want to attend as the verbal agreement at the time of booking was that a minimum of 6 people would be attending the course and that this was what the individual had signed up to. The website also (at the time!) promoted small groups. Although Callaghan has informed me that this individual had not paid in full what he had conveniently not said was that the individual had got the 50% fees from the employer stopped as it was no longer a course that the individual was to be attending.

To cut a long story short Callaghan has informed me that he had done everything possible to accommodate this individuals needs. However what the other individual has told me was the course still went ahead with them, totaling 7 people.

No money has ever been refunded.

Although Callaghan has confirmed that the course went ahead he neglected to ever mention (even in court) that 7 people were in attendance. I WONDER WHY!

I consider these individuals to be corrupt and dishonorable and feel it right to share this information with you all.

I look forward to all comments. Even those of Callaghan or Bellini!

Emma

Emma

How is this your issue and what point are you making?

I think its everyones issue when individuals act in such away. I am grateful I was warned before I had parted with my hard earned cash.

Hi Emma,

Clearly, I don't know the facts of this case and can offer nothing to support or dispute what's been said. All I can say is, it surprises me as, until now, I've heard nothing but good things about Bronze Dragon.

I did notice your post kind-of followed a he-said, she-said pattern. To be sure one is not falling for empassioned patterns of inference in favour of patterns of evidence, it's worth clarifying what's hearsay and what's established as factual. For example, is the individual's claim that there were 7 people on the training established as a fact?

Now please don't get me wrong. I'm not opposing you / defending Bronze Dragon, merely suggesting that for a sensitive post such as this, some rigour and cross examination is useful to ensure persons at each position of this dispute are not unfairly misrepresented.

Cheers

This section is really designed for people to post reviews of trainings they've experienced for themselves. Emma, you seem to be reporting what you say happened to someone else - but why is it you telling us and not this other person?

How well do you know the other person, and how much do you really know about their story?

My experience of Susanna and Phil is that they are genuinely committed to helping their students learn and grow. If someone else has a different experience, that's ok - but why are we hearing about it from you, third hand, and not from the person themselves?

I certainly don't want this reviews section to be only for positive and flowery reviews. Sometimes people do have negative experiences with a trainer or a training company, and those do deserve to be shared too. I just want to make sure we tread very carefully when dealing with other people's reputations, because I'm not sure third-hand reporting in this way is either fair or helpful.

I advise people to read other reviews of Susanna and Phil's trainings too, because generally I think most people's experience with them is very positive. I personally find them very warm and loving people. I highly recommend training with them.

I seem to remember a previous post with the same content as this,and the same casting of aspersions.

Steve

Take it from me everything I have said is FACT and not hearsay. As far as you just hearing good things it doesn't surprise me after all they are not going to promote bad points about themselves, are they!?

Emma

ALL FACTS.

Chris

It is of no surprise to me that you defend Bellini and Callaghan as you actually were one of the people that named them when I was initially asking for training companies in the area!

Everything I have said is FACT and so don't appreciate you trying to cast doubt into what I have said in order to defend.

If Callaghan and Bellini are genuinely committed to helping their students learn and grow then why not offer the course with 7 people on when it is obvious that this was the concerns in the first place? Instead they decided to rob someone of nearly £900.

I do however agree that the thread and all posts be left.

Emma

Are there any facts that we've missed? Your original post mentions "court"... so, reading between the lines, since your "friend" (and you) are still complaining, I'm guessing - just a guess, mind you - that this went to court and the court sided with Bronze Dragon. Yes? In general, while courts may not be perfect entities, I tend to trust their verdicts more than I do unknown people who spread third person gossip online.

I don't appreciate your tone

Yes it did go to court and No it did not go in favour of Bronze Dragon. Bet your confused now

Do me a favour and crawl back into that little hole you just came out of.

Yep... Very confused why, if that's so, you wouldn't have mentioned that at the outset and why you get so nasty when asked to provide confirmation of these so-called facts. So far this is just your word against... well, nothing at all. How are you going to prove your assertions?

By the way... being asked to "crawl back into that little hole" is really, really "How Not to Be Treated."

Hi Emma,

'Take what I say as fact and not hearsay'?

With respect, you may have witnessed the evidence but we have not. So, to us, it is hearsay.

I'm all for 'outing' poor behaviours by NLP trainers and practitioners. Your claim does have to stand up to cross examination, though, to ensure fairness to all concerned.

Rather than appeal for us to just take your words as facts, point us to something concrete. (Remember, we don't know you. You could be an axe murderer for all I know.)

Cheers

Hi Emma

It's good to know who 'not' to trust. I do hope that these people do not take the following action against you. There is easy money to be made from taking libel action against forum posters.

Businessman wins Facebook libel case - mirror.co.uk

John

Since this thread was started no open response has come from Bellini or Callaghan. Only a rather pathetic explanation has come to me via a private message from Callaghan.

Under the circumstances I find it very odd that Bellini or Callaghan have not tried to defend themselves

After reading some of the responses I have given to certain individuals in this thread, on reflection they were rather rude so I appologise to those concerned.

It does anger me that this kind of treatment goes on and I feel strongly that people should be made aware of these kind of incidents so that they can at least make an informed choice for themselves before entering into what could turn into a big mistake.

Emma

To you all

I have noticed that the individual who informed me of the negative experiences they were subjected to has not been on the site for a considerable time so I have decided to make them aware of the comments I have made on this site with the hope that they will respond as part of this thread in order to set the record straight.

Emma

Yawn.

Emma,

What do you want to happen?

How rude