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Message posted: 23rd Nov 07, 08:39 am
Username: map002
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Hi Al,
silverback wrote: (link)
Herbert is the man - i love reding stuff like that that makes my head hurt.
Absolutely! And, of course, this brings me to the ultimate expression of Dune's core concepts, Fatboy Slim's Weapon of Choice which are well illustrated in this excerpt...
Don't be shocked by the tone of my voice
Check out my new weapon, weapon of choice

Listen to the sound of my voice
You can check it all out, it's the weapon of choice

You can go with this,
Or you can go with that,
Or you can throw with us!

Walk without rhythm
and it won't attract the worm

If you walk without rhythm
ah, you never learn!
You never outgrow the classics...

Be Well,

Michael Perez


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Message posted: 30th Dec 07, 05:37 am
Username: anon e mouse
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still on the martial arts side have a look at the Dog Brothers
stick fighting on youtube, not for the fainthearted


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Message posted: 21st Mar 08, 05:51 pm
Username: Nigel Adams
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Not sure I can breathe in here with all this sweat and testosterone...
Some interesting clip links here - I love yiquan. Also like the ba bang babang maniac guy lol
I've been learning Taijiquan for a while now and I think much of the jin (internal skills/power) is like a kind of kinesthetic NLP training especially when you apply it in sensing hands. Just like yiquan the intent and body-mind relationship is key to understanding and application. I mainly use NLP to better be able to communicate with my students or in guided meditations at the end of Taiji sessions.
Unfortunately most Taiji people I've met just trance out or build delusional frameworks where they have magical qi defence skills or their slow training will magically transform into lethal force with no practical training lol I deliberately went and got thrown about by some ninjutsu folk to clean those ideas out and have trained more realistically ever since. If you want practical (but still esoteric) Taiji/IMA go train with Alex Kozma. He hurts!
Great thread


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Message posted: 21st Mar 08, 06:37 pm
Username: silverback
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

you clearly got great olfactory acuity then - I don't smell that much!
No idea what all these oriental terms mean but they sound fascinating!

looking forward to getting you guys in the same room for some fisticuff funstuff!

Three cheers for violence!

;-)


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Message posted: 26th Mar 08, 02:38 pm
Username: Pierre
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Hello everyone,

I've been away pushing my boundaries and setting up some work for myself with the Boxing community, I have now secured regular work with the G.B. High Performance Coach and an England Boxing Coach working with their boxers at their gyms. Nick Davies Sports Psychology and Hypnosis

I have some really great successes with things like overcoming fear, concentration, lifting limiting beliefs and motivation. Probably my best work was helping an England Boxer beat his Canadian opponent (22nd Feb) which he told me he expected to lose after he had seen who he had beaten and his previous medals, until he began using the stuff I taught him.

I've been using the usual stuff, plus a few things I've developed and stumbled upon but does anyone know anything about time distortion other than using suggestion or any other tips for using NLP and Hypnosis with Boxing?

Kind regards,

Nick


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Message posted: 28th Mar 08, 10:15 am
Username: wonderful
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

I'm not sure how helpful this will be,but one thing I've noticed about low-intensity sparring is that it tends to lend itself to working behind the jab at long range.Since a large proportion of amateurs fight this way,it could be useful to practice alternative strategies,particularly as this way of fighting doesn't naturally suit everyone.


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Message posted: 28th Mar 08, 11:36 am
Username: Steve_W
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

This isn't particularly linked to the other posts in the thread but I thought I'd post something.

For my Master Prac, I had to do a project. The project I took was to model the best Wing Chun 'chi sau' exponents in a training organisation and use it to improve chi sau and 'free spar' performance of the junior trainees. Of course, martial arts teaching is already reasonably well 'model' oriented, but I found that the chi sau instruction didn't really communicate the real V-A-K strategies that the best performers actually used.

It was a pretty fun project and it definitely raised the speed with which the trainees developed good chi sau.

I enjoyed that.

Cheers


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Message posted: 28th Mar 08, 04:12 pm
Username: Pierre
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Thanks Andrew and Stephen,

I find it's helpful to use other people's maps as sometimes you get too close to the Sport your working with.

Thanks again guys,

Nick


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Message posted: 1st Apr 08, 08:47 pm
Username: lennydw67
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Check this film out....this guy shows some pretty interesting views on the effectiveness of Ju-Jitsu and meditation....

YouTube - The Foot Fist Way


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Message posted: 1st Apr 08, 08:55 pm
Username: Redsimo
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

"None of this Jackie Chan bollox, I wanna see some windmilling in!"

YouTube - Dennis Pennis Karate skit

Matt


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Message posted: 1st Apr 08, 10:07 pm
Username: Anthony Jacquin
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Steve_W wrote: (link)
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For my Master Prac, I had to do a project. The project I took was to model the best Wing Chun 'chi sau' exponents in a training organisation and use it to improve chi sau and 'free spar' performance of the junior trainees. Of course, martial arts teaching is already reasonably well 'model' oriented, but I found that the chi sau instruction didn't really communicate the real V-A-K strategies that the best performers actually used.

It was a pretty fun project and it definitely raised the speed with which the trainees developed good chi sau.

I enjoyed that.

Cheers
Fascinating. I am a Wing Chun grasshopper. Do you fancy sharing any if your findings about Chi Sau strategies? I am really interested.

Best regards,

Anthony
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Message posted: 2nd Apr 08, 07:34 am
Username: silverback
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Funny lennster - looks awesome!


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 10:18 am
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Just thought I would let you guys know that I have recently checked out a Systema school and a Dan Inosanto affiliated Jeet Kune Do school.

After training with both I am going to give the Systema training my attention.

It is very different to any other Martial Arts training I have experienced and I have done a fair few over the past 20 years.

By the way, check out a guy on youtube called Val Riazanov from Russian Systema Martial Arts Expert Val Riazanov | Systema, he has taken some of the principles of punching found in Systema and teaches it as Ballistic Striking. The guy appears to hit like a freight train!

Having been hit "softly" by the Systema instructor I trained with, I can testify that it hurts like hell, and has a very deep penetrating feel to the blow. Yet interestingly, it doesn't hurt at the superficial level of the muscles all that much, it seems to sink in around the organs (if that makes sense). It has to be experienced to be believed and I don't envy the poor guy in Val's videos.


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 10:31 am
Username: Anthony Jacquin
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

That is insane. In the final clip he doesn't adjust his stance, he doesn't even remove his hand from his hip.

Anthony


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 10:38 am
Username: Anthony Jacquin
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Do you reckon a ballistic strike could get through my Chi Forcefield though?

YouTube - Anthony Jacquin - Hypnosis Show Clip

Anthony
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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 10:40 am
Username: silverback
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Looks seems impressive and looks unimpressive!
Which is interesting.

I'd like to experience taking one of those shots.

If this is replicable in the heat of battle then great!


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 10:55 am
Username: hyp_gnosis
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What I have been told by the Systema instructor, is that all techniques should look casual and relaxed and that breathing is a key element to this process.

If you search youtube for systema video clips you will see what I mean. They look casual and almost nonchalant while demonstrating their techniques. They have some very interesting framing and strategies regarding the reasons why this is so. Some of which relates to working with other peoples neurology and not engaging certain relexes in order to achieve increased pliability and manipulation of the opponent.

I am suspecting based on what little I have experienced of systema that in a sense it is the systema practitioner who demonstrates the relaxed physiology during the encounter which then leads the opponent into the relaxed physiology as well. This is done by not actually encountering resistance with resistance but going with the flow in a similar manner to Aikido.

For example, I am used to parrying with slap blocks that also act as targeted strikes to incoming limbs (attack that which is attacking you). I had to overcome this tendency and framing in order not to activate certain reflexes in my drill partner so that I could slip into close proximity. I ended up having to repeat in my head "soft hands, soft hands" throughout the interaction in order to work with the systema approach.

This approach also didn't seem to change when we started working with live blades during the final part of the training session! The instruction by the teacher, was to ignore my training partner's blade and get nice and close!

Easier said than done.


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 11:02 am
Username: lennydw67
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silverback wrote: (link)
Looks seems impressive and looks unimpressive!
Which is interesting.

I'd like to experience taking one of those shots.

If this is replicable in the heat of battle then great!
'Board not hit back'

I agree Al it does look impressive.......and if i saw it work in a real situation then it would be even more impressive.


If not sure how new this is....I when i boxed i sparred with some guys who were buit like a brick out houses....but couldn't punch their way out of a paper bag....on the other hand I sparred with a few wirey guys who had real knock out power.......it was all down to really good technique and angles

Kostya Tszyu def has this ability imo...check it out

YouTube - Zab Judah vs. Kostya Tszyu


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 11:06 am
Username: hyp_gnosis
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Re: NLP for Combat or Physical Sports

Given that you guys are fortunate enough to live in the UK. Why don't you go and check out Val for yourself? He is apparently in the UK. I would be interested to hear your feedback based upon a live demonstration.


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Message posted: 4th Apr 08, 01:51 pm
Username: silverback
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hyp_gnosis wrote: (link)
Given that you guys are fortunate enough to live in the UK. Why don't you go and check out Val for yourself? He is apparently in the UK. I would be interested to hear your feedback based upon a live demonstration.
You first as the human punchbag Lennster!


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