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| | | | | Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi
I am looking for some information, on Memory development, in particular “Short Term Memory” strategies, I am aware of most memory systems, Buzan, O’Brian, etc, etc, yet need more information about how to develop “short term Memory” if you have, any ideas, and would be happy to share, than I would be very grateful, or if you know of any web sites, with articles, or books, then I would be very grateful, for any and all information.
Thank you for your time, have a wonderful day.
Jay | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 10:00 am
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Username: swished
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Posts: 345 | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Jay, a couple of questions for you so that I understand  Are you wanting to develop short term memory into long term memory or make short term memory capacity larger?
Most AS level study books will have information about the different memory stores, short term, long tem and multi store. It is one of the topics on the AQA-B psychology syllabus as 11.6 Remembering and Forgetting. So a psych text book might be a good first port of call.
I do have a memory mapping technique that I use for students who have a poor long term memory that they develop for revision purposes. I'd be happy to write that down for you if you want.
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Great stuff, and an excellent free newsletter. Go check 'em out.
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James | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 01:02 pm
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Username: map002
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Posts: 2,369 | | | Hi All,
Actually, with all due respect to Penny, what we know now about memory as a result of recent neurological research flatly contradicts some of what's in the most of the textbooks, so I'd read them with a pinch of salt...
Here's what seems to be true based on recent research (generalised and simplified to an alarming extent, so apologies to neurologists out there!)... - Memories are stored as different components in the brain, on for each sensory modality. So create a complete imaginary sensory experience for each memory and you will create a much broader neural 'footprint' for the memory, increasing chances of recall.
- Emotion intensifies memories. A strong emotional charge creates neural matrix patterns that 'stand out', again increasing chances of recall.
- Unique stimuli is memorable. Something unusual is more likely to 'make an impression'.
- Repetition over time creates multiple similar memories, creating the strong possibility of a domino effect, that is one memory triggering other similar memories in a cascade, aiding recall by providing multiple experiences of the same or similar things. Initial repetition is useful, followed by recall and repetition a few minutes, an hour and then 3 hours later, for example.
- Relaxation facilitates recall. The less your brain is doing with external stimuli, the more of it's resources it can access things internally.
- Confidence facilitates recall. If you think you can easily recall things, you're more likely to be able to do so.
Put these insights together with what you've learned from NLP, use the tote model to test and refine it for you and I hallucinate you'll be able to throw together a powerful customised short term memory strategy in almost no time at all!
Be Well,
Michael Perez | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 02:10 pm
| | | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Penny
Thanks for your reply, yes I am looking at increasing my short term memory, I can get information in, it just takes a little more time, than I would like, I am reasonably familiar, with chuck size, 5/9 +-2, and how memories are stored holographically, etc,
So I am looking for memory strategies, to increase, my short term memory, so I don’t have to work has hard, I am at this time.
So anything would be helpful.
Once again thanks for your time.
Hugs
Jay | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 02:31 pm
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Thanks
Michael, I find your post very valuable, my understanding of memory, is intact, what I am lacking it an implementing strategy; I don’t know anyone, whose memory I would class as, being excellent otherwise I would, go and model how they do what they do, so I am having to improvise, and hopefully create a “Borg” strategy, from bits and pieces.
I have a massive, life changing project, that I am about to embark on, and need to get my short term memory capacity increased, so thank you for you post.
James, thank you for the link, I will get onto reading the site, very soon. | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 03:38 pm
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Posts: 1,924 | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies I believe that there was a thread , regarding Memory methods, and Technique , under the old system......I remember contributing quite a long post to that thread , on this subject as did many others !
Give me an idea of the information , that you want to remember , and I will devise a system for you !
Either private message me or do it on this thread .....whichever way you prefer.......
There are many ways of applying Memory methods and techniques.....it would be easier for me to do it for you , than to teach you all the methods , and expect you to be able to use them right away !
Whereas if I do it for you.....it should be instantly memorable and you should be able to use it right away !
All being well ! haha !
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Posts: 345 | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Michael, it's quite worrying that hundreds of students are studying from these textbooks if they are innacurate. Are the new models of memory written up academically? I expect the text books will change soon if thats the case, if not, then I guess our world will clash with orthodox psychology for a long time yet  | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 07:41 pm
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Username: map002
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Posts: 2,369 | | | A Short-Term Memory Strategy... Hi Jay,
Here's a strategy that works for me. You might want to play around with it and adjust it accordingly... - First of all, create two customized resource states well in advance. Make one of them a voratious, curious learning state and the other a calm, confident recall state. Put everything you need in the states in order to create the appropriate responses in yourself, like intense, excited facination, for example.
- For the learning state, a unconscious sponge component works well for me. For the recall, I include a flow state. What those are or might be to you I can't and don't know, so experiment a bit if you're unsure.
- Anchor these states and then slide the anchors until they're really powerful for you.
Then, when you're ready to take in information, - Trigger your learning resource state.
- Tell yourself, 'It is not my responsibility to memorize this now. My mind will memorize this now for me, efforlessly and easily.' If you see the imbedded commands here, mark them out for yourself...
 - When you encounter a point that you want to have remembered, create for yourself an internal representation associated with the thing you're remembering. Give it sight, sound and feeling(VAK). Exaggerate things in this representation so that it has more impact for you. Groucho Marx glasses work well for me...
 - Elicit and experience powerful emotions in yourself at the same time as you review this representation.
- Repeat this imagery whilst saying something related out loud if possible, subvocalising otherwise anywhere between 3 to 7 times in rapid sucession.
Next, about 5 minutes later, - Trigger your recall resource state
- Tell yourself, 'It is not my responsibility to remember now. My mind will remember now for me, efforlessly and easily''. Again, mark out the commands.
- Review the info and your internal representation of it. Really sense it all vividly.
- repeat between 3 and 7 times, till you have a sense of real unconscious familiarity going along with it.
- Future pace. See yourtself in a place where will need this info and vividly experience yourself remembering it quickly and easily.
Repeat this review an hour later. I also review all my day's memories during a quiet time each evening.
If you'd like this to be remembered long term, reviewing them the next day and at 1 week are recommended.
Hope that helps!
Be Well,
Michael Perez
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Username: map002
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Posts: 2,369 | | | Neuropsychology, Textbooks and the Old Guard Hi Penny,
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It's quite worrying that hundreds of students are studying from these textbooks if they are inaccurate.
| Well, these are Psych textbooks we're talking about, so that's pretty much been the case since they first started printing them, in my unbiased opinion...
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Are the new models of memory written up academically?
| Yes, the fields of Behavioural Neurology and/or Neuropsychology are extensively documented and published in many journals.
If you're interested in a good overview of the work taking place in those fields, I recommend the book ' Social Intelligence' by Daniel Goleman. Not much on memory but a lot of easily readable and understandable material about neuropsychological research and a lot of 'new discoveries' that will be quite familiar to NLPers...
At the same time, there is a faction in conventional psychology that is postulating that such direct testing and research is a chimera and is distracting from 'real' work.
I can't help but be reminded of the Greek philosophers who felt that experimentation wasn't true science because it dealt with crude matter rather than lofty and pure ideas. For them, it wasn't about what worked or could be tested, it was about what sounded good.
There will probably, I suspect, be an old guard and new innovators, as there always seems to be. And I hallucinate that the textbooks will evolve at the rate and speed of the old guard dying off...
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I expect the text books will change soon if that's the case, if not, then I guess our world will clash with orthodox psychology for a long time yet.
| I expect that both will be the case... And to make it crystal clear, this is just my own somewhat-jaded point of view which have sprung from my own (admittedly) limited experiences. Let's hope I'm wrong this time!
Be Well,
Michael Perez | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 08:27 pm
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Posts: 1,924 | | | Hi Jay , I notice that you are familiar , with Tony Buzan methods.
Penny , mentioned that she teaches her students , mind mapping techniques....
This is a technique , where you can basically , create a map of any subject that you know......and is very useful, for exams etc.
Now think laterally. Do a mind-mapping exercise , on any subject , that you wish to test your memory about.
Write in down in a particular colour pen.
Then look back and compare with the notes , on the subject , that you want to recall.
Now in a different colour pen , write in the information / points , that you missed out.
These are the points that you need to "liven up" , by making them "more memorable" , either by making them......with the help of "Memory Tricks / Methods more easy to recall.
There are many ways that you can do this....
1) Visualisation techniques
2) Make those images huge
3) Make those images colourful
4) Make those images noisy
5) Make those images move fast
6) Make those images gigantic
7) Make those images ridiculously small.
8) Make those images funny
9) Make those images sexy / sexual / rude
You can do this literally , in minutes.
There is little point , in using Memory Methods , to remember what you already know......so you ascertain , what you already know.....and add to it, with the extra points , that you want to recall, using the above memory methods or........
10) The Numeric system-using- using one = bun two =shoe 3=tree etc (Buzan)
11. The Alphabet system . Link with Apples, Bananas, Cats , Dogs etc
12. The Greek House system . Place the things to be remembered , on the front door....in the hall...in the loungs...in the dining room ....in the kitchen.....bedroom 1, bedroom 2 , bedroom 3, bathroom ...attic ...roof....chimney
13. The Friends and Neighbours system.......give the items, in your mind to your mum...your dad.....brother 1...brother 2.....sister 1.sister 2.....cousins.....uncles.....aunties......friends. ....neighbours......
14. Your own body parts system.....on your head.....around your neck.....on your shoulders....in your left hand etc etc
14. The Journey system.......trip to the shops.....down town......hanging those things you want to remember, on lamp posts.....bus stops......shops on the way......letter boxes etc...
PHEW ! Hope that helps !
Good Luck Peter Walsh
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| | | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Michael
Thank you, you’re a superstar.
And I am wondering if you would be so kind, and tell me how you code your primary time line, knowing, that you may have many.
To make this a little easy, lets say, your standing in the middle of a big round table, and your facing 12 o’clock, if you was to, tell me the time, using your time line, as the hands of the clock, your future being the big hand and the small hand being the past. What time would your time line represent.
Thanks for your time.
Jay | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 08:52 pm
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Posts: 1,924 | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Glad you got what you wanted Jay ! | | |  | Message posted: 18th Nov 06, 09:01 pm
| | | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Peter
Thanks for your post, and to everyone else, who, may still contribute, I have a huge, goal to achieve, and my journey as just begun.
Jay
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Posts: 2,369 | | | My Time-line and Welcome to it... ;) Hi Jay...
Forgive me if this is a little long, but my time-line is highly customised...
I move my time line around quite a bit, but lately, the 'default position' for 'Time-Line Alpha', (my primary) passes through 11:30 skewing up off the horizon at about a 30 degree incline. The other possible time-lines surround it, each at a slightly different angle reflecting the different trajectory of events. They radiate around it, past the prism which is at each choice point (my immediate future timeline is a single beam until it reaches the choice point prism).
Any time I near a choice point, I analytically review the possible time-lines without making a real decision and then I reach a place of deep connection with my centred self, from where I let my decision congruently flow from there. The prism then rotates to centre on the chosen timeline, shifting that possible time-line into the alpha position.
The time line(s) disappear off to my upper left, each one expanding like a ray and intermingling with one another. Think of hundreds of lasers fanning out, dispersing and finally fuzzing out like a spotlight beam, brightest towards the centre and opening up to limitless possibilities.
When I'm being flow-chart style analytical, I throw my timeline out in front of me. When I'm doing martial arts or entering flow states, I go all Japanese. The future's straight up and a narrow single point in the near future, the past is straight down and I'm floating in the present moment, which is wide and open to many possibilities, which, in turn will yield but one purposed outcome, that narrow near future outcome.
I know that's a bit odd, and I hope it's clear. If you need further explanation, just ask.
Be Well,
Michael Perez
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| | | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Michael
It’s very clear, when I read it the first time; I tried it on, and had what I would class as a matrix experience, and there is nothing to forgive, you used the amount of words needed to explain.
Now I am off, to my mind lab, to synthesis, all this data.
And to install, some cool new, mind codes.
Jay
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Posts: 45 | | | Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies Hi Jay
I am so curious, what is this huge goal and new journey you are off on? How exciting! Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.
Sage is scientifically proven to improve recall of words short term - not an nlp'y answer I know, but tastes great! x | | |  | Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 12:15 pm
| | | | | Sage! Accounting software?
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That’s just weird, I am not eating that.
You can keep your curiosity going as it’s not time to spill the beans yet.
Thank you  | | |  | Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 03:19 pm
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Username: Candice
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Posts: 45 | | | Does software grow in the garden too? You learn something every day!
Now beans are something you can grow .... Aha! That's your journey!! - you are going to climb a giant beanstalk to a far and distant land, to steal some giant's money, so you can go and buy back the reindeer (let's keep this festive!) that you sold in the first place to buy the beans you spilled!
Marvellous. Curiousity satisfied!!  ...... for now x | | |  | Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 04:03 pm
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I’m almost convinced, that’s what as happened, but no! I am looking for a nice home, to create a blog, that I will link in my profile, of my adventures in, “world domination” oops too much pinky and the Brain again.
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