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Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 07:40 pm
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Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies

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Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 08:19 pm
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Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies

Sorry, no. Dodgy long term memory!! lol


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Message posted: 22nd Nov 06, 08:24 pm
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click on advanced options, where the smiles are clink on more, and there you go.


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 01:31 pm
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Hi

I am looking for some information, on Memory development, in particular “Short Term Memory” strategies, I am aware of most memory systems, Buzan, O’Brian, etc, etc, yet need more information about how to develop “short term Memory” if you have, any ideas, and would be happy to share, than I would be very grateful, or if you know of any web sites, with articles, or books, then I would be very grateful, for any and all information.

Thank you for your time, have a wonderful day.


Jay
Jay,
What do you want to keep on memory and on what purpose?
The best (for me) strategy for a very clean and nice memory is to immediatly use (incorporate: put the body=put in action what I have learned) what I want to keep in my body's memory. Remember, the mind is not in the brain but in the body as well.
All the answers that you received were based that memory is in the mind. The body can help you a lot. How? Using what you have learned.
The most important concepts and practices that I have learned I incorporated them teaching them and using them, of course.
Memory is, as you may know, not just part of the mind, is an essential part of the body and he is a crucial part in learning.
Ramón


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 02:33 pm
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Hi Ramón
Thanks for your post, I “made a number of distinctions, while I was formulating my original, plan, and purpose, is always, apart of my plan- making, otherwise, my brain just won’t switch on.
So I spent, a healthy amount of time, validating, just what, how, when, where, and with who/, and why, my goal, would/will be engaged in the most delightful and positive way it, can.
Being reasonably familiar, with NLP, then getting the learning’s and knowledge, in the muscle, is an important and vital part of the whole learning process, creating a multi-sensory, representation, and imprinting the learning’s in my time line, allows me to just do that.
Yet, being able to hold bigger “raw data”, chunks, is what I am looking at, what I have found, over the last few days, is my, V, K memory is fully intact, yet my auditory memory, is what is slowing me down, my auditory recall, is well, poorly developed, and is what I am, starting to work on.
So I thank you, and every one else, that as made an effort to, this post, and any other ideas, websites, books, that you might feel or consider, fitting with this post, are very warmly welcome.

With a smile in my heart have a wonderful day.
Jay


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 02:37 pm
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Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies

The muscle memory you are referring to is 'Kinaesthetic' , memory I believe , and is usually applied to muscle memory tasks , as in Sports , Production Line systems etc.

Perhaps music , could be combined with 'Kinaesthetic' memory , to remember Musical melodies ?

All the senses , can and should be used in Memory methods ,as should the emotions , Imagination and visualisation.


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 04:21 pm
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Hi Peter.
“The muscle memory you are referring to is 'Kinesthetic”

In part, as memories, are built up from, all our senses, then having an open loop allows, the opportunity to allow, the other senses, to occupy the equation, memory is in part and as a whole, a hologram, and is held in the cells, of the structure of the brain, yet as the brain, is not detached from the body, when we encode, the formation, be that primary, by sight, hearing, touch, smell or taste, we then create a HOLOMORPHOSIS, a 3D representation, that is coded in the mind-body as a whole.

Take the common analogy that is often, used in NLP, if you are shown, a film one frame day, over five years, will you know what the film is about? No
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Yet if we are shown, the film, at 25 frames, a second, and then we get it just fine.
What I am learning, is “we” “need” to, do is create, design, and build, to the best of our innate, capabilities, a full 3D/ whole pattern/Holomorphosis. That represents, what a specific learning task, means, to us.

By creating, such an idea, concept the whole process of learning, could be revolutionized, hopefully some of the patterns, that I have and am, synthesizing, will lend, to the ideas, of accelerated learning, and intelligence gap management.

The brain is an incredible, bio-chemical, structure, and it’s only real down fall, is its host.

“I am aware, that I have used the words, “WE” NEED” and a number of other, inclusion, words, I have done this being mindful of the implications of the meanings.

You have been neuro coded and you will be assimilated, it just that simple.


Jay


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 05:06 pm
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hypno1965 wrote: (link)
The muscle memory you are referring to is 'Kinaesthetic' , memory I believe , and is usually applied to muscle memory tasks , as in Sports , Production Line systems etc.

Perhaps music , could be combined with 'Kinaesthetic' memory , to remember Musical melodies ?

All the senses , can and should be used in Memory methods ,as should the emotions , Imagination and visualisation.
Please,
I´m not talking about muscle memory. Please, suspend for a moment your nlp map.
I´m talking about body absorbing. I´m talking about practice. I´m talking about action.
I´m talking about that the mind is a biological phenomenon and in order to have a great, great, great performance you must have that microneurological connections arranged to support the action/performance you desire.
Or you would fly as a passenger, in a 747, knowing that the pilot learned to flight the plane having memorized all the mechanisms from reading manuals?
I don´t.
Ramón


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 05:17 pm
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[quote=ramonrr;17170]Please,
I´m not talking about muscle memory. Please, suspend for a moment your nlp map.
I´m talking about body absorbing. I´m talking about practice. I´m talking about action.
I´m talking about that the mind is a biological phenomenon and in order to have a great, great, great performance you must have that microneurological connections arranged to support the action/performance you desire.


The muscle memory you are referring to is 'Kinaesthetic' , memory I believe , and is usually applied to muscle memory tasks , as in Sports , Production Line systems etc

Ramon , the microneurlogical connections , you are speaking of , occur in simple every day tasks that we do "Dressing" "Washing" "Tying our laces" "Wlaking " ""Running" !Jumping" etc .......and in non simple every day tasks , of "Natural Sportsmen" , Natural Musicians " etc etc .

And all of these things requires Practise and all of these things require action.

The baby practises crawling before he/she gets skilled.

The baby practises standing , then walking and finally running......they all require action and practise !



In all of these tasks , muscle memory , is required....and "lost" , in people with no or less ability......or some types of disability.

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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 05:45 pm
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Hi Ramon,

Peter's a hypnotherapist who knows a bit about NLP but is not an NLPer. I think it's safe to say he's not got an 'NLP map' per se.

And I've got one and there isn't anything about K memories on it either! There are, however, a few kechup stains on it that remind me of that cheeseburger I dropped, but that's not the same kinda K on those memories...

Be Well,

Michael Perez


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 07:05 pm
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map002 wrote: (link)
Hi Ramon,

Peter's a hypnotherapist who knows a bit about NLP but is not an NLPer. I think it's safe to say he's not got an 'NLP map' per se.

Be Well,

Michael Perez
Perfectly True Michael , though the more I learn about NLP , the more I realise how much I already knew !

Kinaesthetic / Kinesthetic memory , was introduced to me , 30 years ago , when I qualified as a Sport's Coach. I have studied it , and explored the phenomenom , in many different , situatons viz: Sport , Music and Dance , Dealing with Disabilities , Production Line Systems, and Line Management.

In fact you could say that I've been 'Modelling' , Kinaesthetic / Kinesthetic Memory and Associated Movements and Outcomes for 30 years and more !

Some of our senses , naturally merge with other of our sensory systems .....music (sound )and movement (kinesthetic) as in Dancing and also surprisingly Martial Arts !


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 09:47 pm
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hypno1965 wrote: (link)
Perfectly True Michael , though the more I learn about NLP , the more I realise how much I already knew !

Kinaesthetic / Kinesthetic memory , was introduced to me , 30 years ago , when I qualified as a Sport's Coach. I have studied it , and explored the phenomenom , in many different , situatons viz: Sport , Music and Dance , Dealing with Disabilities , Production Line Systems, and Line Management.
...And it's also not an NLP concept, which is why I wrote what I did to Ramon.

Ramon, if I'm not terribly mistaken, is referring to a concept usually called cellular memory and I believe that you're talking about a type of what neurologists call implicit memory. If I am correct, then neither of them are the same thing and neither of them are NLP concepts in that they were not originally uncovered by NLP research nor have they been detailed or otherwise extensively described in NLP.

Please don't take this as a values judgement, I'm not trying to say that things or better or worse because they are or are not explored in the NLP field. I'd just like to bring a little clarity to the discussion with specific regard as to what comes from where.

As a side note, cellular memory is still largely unproven and based on anecdotal evidence. Research has yet to turn up any corroboration. Not to suggest it won't eventually be corroborated, it just hasn't been yet.

Hope that clears things up a bit more!

Be Well,

Michael Perez


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Message posted: 23rd Nov 06, 10:36 pm
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Re: Can you help? “Short Term Memory” strategies

Thanks for clearing that up Michael.

The kinesthetic/kinaesthetic muscle memory , I was speaking about , are based on the movements required , to perform an action automatically ......and the repetition of those movements, in order to build up the muscle memory ( to help produce the movements without conscious thought ) of that performance , and increase the particular muscle energy exchange system , building up the stamina potential , within those particular muscles / groups used , or to be used .

The exhaustion of the Glycogen , and the build up of Lactic acid , within those muscle groups , can interfere with the normal smooth muscular action and reflexes, and lead to error(s) of movement(s) , within Sports and other similar disciplines, which can be the difference , between being a Winner or Loser . Phew !

So Practise , really does make perfect !

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