Shaun, that is a great story and I am glad your boy is on the mend. That's a lovely portfolio of machines you have there, I have a ZXR, it would look out of place in your garage but it is fast enought to keep me entertained!

In reply to Isabelle and yourself I love the mental jousting that goes on in my head and it is being challenged with new ideas as you have both done that makes that possible for me, thank you for allowing me the experience. I often just play devils advocate on this site just to provoke conversation, I have no problem with anything said and I feel we are all a little closer for the adventure we shared.

That is a great way to look at life, destiny making some moves and putting little patterns togeather for you. Of all the telescope sellers in all the world, you had to walk in to that one! How would the higer-beings plan such an event? Was there a meeting last night when these decisions were made? You can picture it now, all the big guns sat around a table discussing who they send to your new friend to help her and how they can make the journey seem within your normal day. Amazing stuff.

Isabellle, a 'corker' is a stunning girl, or if we are playing football (ooops, soccer) and you score a really spectacular goal the commentator would be correct in saying "What a corker". Maybe it is a laddish, but not offensive, way to describe a pretty girl. The 'esque part simply stated the girl I was talking about had corking qualities on a par with yourself!

Now the biggie!

SUNRISE WHERE ARE YOU?????

I need some feedback on your progress, dont forget to TOTE!

*smile* Glad all was well taken in a good way!
Thanks for the corker thing! My vocabulary has now expanded!

And if you're looking for challenges Matt....that can always be arranged! *smirk*

Shaun, I am sorry to hear about your son. Nice to see he has such a fabulous father to care for him. I am certain that his healing will go well.

I wish you all a wonderful day!
Isabelle

Sunrise, you've got it made man.

you have the whole world literally begging to find a nice single guy. Here are 3 excercises for you when approaching a beautiful woman.

1) Know that when you smile and hold just the right amount of eye contact you will get a response, positive or negative it will have the info you require, then say hello.

2) You can express an interest in the demeanour ( how they dress, walk, wear their hair whatever) as long as you know that you are one who is sought after by gorgeous women, who are everywhere, just ask your sister, or mum or any woman and they'll tell you the competition for them to land a good guy is FIERCE and that's the tip of the iceberg

3) Look for the quiet one in any room and I bet you if she's avaiable and you wanna chat she'll chat the leg off you, and then you'll be sorry, lol

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Get yourself some PUA training if you're that down, but I doubt you'll need it. Go get 'em TIGER

Ahh, PUA or as I like to call it the 'Attack of the Clones'.

Sunrise, where are you buddy? Not seen you on here for a while.

I hope you are well,

Matt

What is PUA?
Thx

S'OK! Figured it out!

Hey Sunrise,

I have too felt similar feelings toward women.... Probably questioning your own self confidence. A little scared?

I always felt my guts roll when I would 'try' approaching women. I knew this was a problem and I too was looking for a fix.

I started running a swish pattern.....
I'll quickly explain what I did, hope this helps.

I would get myself into state just before meeting a beautiful women (my guts would start rolling, my internal dialogue would try and tell me to stop, my posture would slouch and I would work myself into a unconfident unresourceful state)

So heres what I did:
I took some time to create what I wanted. I wanted myself to be strong, confident, standing unpright, telling myself "I can do it, people like me", in short I created an internal representation of qualities most people desire and consider attractive.

the swish:

I first started by getting myself into state just before I would see a women I would like to approach. Have that pic big, bright, associated.

Then in the corner of the pic (I usually use the bottom right) I have a pic of the person I wanted to be (disassociated) in a small dot.

Swish the two pics. Exchange you unconfident pic for your new one.

Run this pattern oh lets say around 10 times. Each time faster and faster, if you need too intensify your submotalities.

*Note: make sure to break state after each time you run the patten.....

Please let me know if this helps.

Dan

Making a move within in 3 seconds is generally a good idea as long as you have rehearsed some good icebreaker lines (and I do mean use good lines) so you can make a move before you get the chance to feel fear...


Jon

Jon wrote:

Making a move within in 3 seconds is generally a good idea as long as you have rehearsed some good icebreaker lines (and I do mean use good lines) so you can make a move before you get the chance to feel fear...


Jon

go on then Jon, what would be an example of a good line you have personally used in the past ?

I'm not asking for your best lines of course, that just wouldn't be fair, but a good one that delivered the goods, so to speak

ok I think I may be able to help. I approach women every day and I have never found a girl that was mean on the initial approach. The approach is the easy part. I dont care who they are or how good they look you should go for it and ill tell you why. If you walk up to a table of women and are a gentlemen, smile, and introduce yourself and if they are single and available women Will Not want to be seen as being unapproachable because if it doesnt work out with you, who will approach her next if she is seen being mean to you who just approached her in a kind way. Make sence?

Did I see someone say modeling? I have used this technique recently and it worked. Women actually walk up to me and give me their numbers. The girl I was taking to actually asked me why I didnt approach her. I was still scoping out the situation.

When you finally do get the Confidence, and intestinal fortitude to make an approach make sure you scope out your target. Is she single? Is she worth approaching? Does she seem too deperate? These are some factors that I always consider.

Also, women just give me their numbers I never ask for them. If you can get your foot in the door and hold a good conversation more than likely to my experience they will be eager for you to have their contact information.

Hope this helps,
John

Great line,

"If you can get your foot in the door and hold a good conversation more than likely to my experience they will be eager for you to have their contact information".

I like that.

shit...I miss so many good new post in this thread for months, howcome the system only emailed me today about all the new posts.....??? Is there
a bugs?? Sorry for the late reply guys!

Thanks Matt and other guys! I'm studying the new posts now.....!!!

Sun Rise,
>I still have fears and hesitation when approaching women and I just >don't approach when seeing women. So, is it possible to install a strong >complusion or an addiction to approach women? or even a phobia of not >approaching women I desire?

A little success WILL install that compulsion to a large degree. Use the adrenalin rush. It's your friend.

You know that feeling you get when you walk up to a girl, you're heart's pounding but you end up being on fire that night! You say ALL the right things, she's into you and internally you are "lit up". Anchor that next time it happens. I know it's rare but do it. Just fire off the anchor, even if it's just a memory when see a desirable women. You will WANT to go after her. You will feel bad if you don't. After you have some success you will automatically look at girls in this manner. Some success will install this desire to meet more and more women.

> or even a phobia of not >approaching women I desire?
Specifically on this, just think about. Next time you see the girl you want and you start giving yourself excuses, and just as you are about to walk away...go "SH--!, I can go home alone or I can go play with some tit----!" What choice are you going to make? Sexual drive can be a great motivator. Also, don't masturbate. Starve yourself for a while and see if your animal instincts don't kick in. If you're older, take some cacao nibs or maca to get that boost.

So, you've got two choices to use as "motivators", pain or pleasure. Try both at different times and see which one works.

BTW, Jobet sells a good hypnosis audio that works really well. There is also a link to an old SS/NG posting about using this adrenalin rush to get you going. Some of the old SS'ers really break it down. I'll dig up the links and send them to you.

Jacob

One of the things I enjoy about this thread is the outpouring of suggestions, ideas, encouragement, anecdotes, etc., intended to help sunrise seduce, cajole, coerce, charm women into his orbit/arms/bed?

I am also impressed, Sunrise, by your abundant repetitons of requests for more ideas, yet more suggestions, even more 'help', despite the fact that thus far, apparently, nothing that any one has said has been of much help in helping you to make the connections you (allegedly) desire in the 'real' world.
Such tenacity, such faith, such persistence! Maybe it's even a bit of a rehearsal for putting something into practice outside of the safe confines of a totally accepting, validating, maybe somewhat gullible, and definitely caring set of people.

I hesitate to offer any more suggestions; the sheer weight of so many might already be overwhelming!

However, here's an observation in response to the fact that, apparently, you waited months to log on because The System did not send you an email:

sunrise wrote:

shit...I miss so many good new post in this thread for months, how come the system only emailed me today about all the new posts.....??? Is there
a bugs??

If you take responsibility for your own actions instead of justifying your passive inaction, or looking for someone/something to blame, you might gain a lot more and miss a lot less!

However, I also recognise that, even though most of the suggestions might be like water poured into hot sand, you ARE seducing us into giving you lots and lots of attention, and that must be considered a result, so well done!

and go well!

Now Sunrise for some really easy to utilise practical advice, go speed dating and other organised events for singles. You wont need to feel scared about approaching people as it is accepted at the event thats its purpose, I have written about my personal experiences with speed dating in a blog on another site, give me a pm if you like to learn more, it can make getting to know someone new fun. Only consider speed dating as a form of self help and a laugh though, don't look at it as a way to find long term love or even short term love, if that happens then consider it a bonus! Also, don't look at the women, look at the men, see how they behave, what are they doing right? what are they doing wrong?

This is an amazing thread for all sorts of reasons...

I'm amazed how much codswallop some of the men here are peddling out about what women like/want...
I'm amazed how well Sunrise has got everyone running around trying to fix him...
I'm amazed by the genuine warmth, patience (much more than me, I must say lol) and intelligence of Isabelle...

Anyway, here's something else amazing....


Do you want to know "THE SECRET"??
Yeah? You sure??
Okay...

Be REAL!!

I.E. Don't be smart, don't be clever, don't 'use techniques' - be nice and be real...! Do risk rejection - and stay nice if that's what happens - genuine friendship is wayyyy more important than any pornographic fantasies you may be entertaining - these are only temporary relief from the deep down problems I suspect you have imho...

sunrise wrote:

This topic could also be, how to generate a phobia to not approaching the women I like?

On this I can help you...! This should get your phobia started...

"If you don't start approaching more new women every day...

...and continue exponentially increasing your contacts with new and exciting females each week...

I will hunt you down and kill you...!! "
(Only kidding...
or am I...??)

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Hi All,

I'd like to take a step back from the content here and look at the actual behaviour that a change is desired in.

For whatever reason this person has a set of criteria for deciding who is and isn't ok to talk to. They either are ok - mum,sis,etc or they're not - woman in bar, in street, etc.

Thats 2 possible outcomes and 2 possible choices.
1 - talk all ok
2 - not talk all run away

It seems to me that the person could do with some more options or even just messing these ones up.
The outward behaviour is not wanted by the person and as people already have all the resources they need you can bet that they will chooose more productive behaviours once they percieve them.

So, I'd try this out to start with,
Kineasthetically Anchor Both states strongly, one on each knee.

Remembering to break state before testing and between each knee.

You want really clean state on both knees.

1 - talk all ok - Left knee
2 - not talk all run away - Right knee

When they're both working strongly, fire them both at the same time. Watch for subtle clues( like those and others) that a change has taken place on some level.

Test for change:
Go out somewhere and see how they feel different, then see what happens.

subtle clues = yes that is sarcasm.

Just an idea, as likely wrong as right.

Enjoy

Andy

Nigel Adams wrote:

Be REAL!!

I.E. Don't be smart, don't be clever, don't 'use techniques' - be nice and be real...! Do risk rejection - and stay nice if that's what happens - genuine friendship is wayyyy more important than any pornographic fantasies you may be entertaining - these are only temporary relief from the deep down problems I suspect you have imho...
On this I can help you...! This should get your phobia started...

If it's the deep down problems that stop them from doing these things then I wonder how helpful simply telling someone to "Be Real" is going to be.

John

My girlfriend said to me in bed last night 'you're a pervert' I said, 'that's a big word for a girl of nine

"]If it's the deep down problems that stop them from doing these things then I wonder how helpful simply telling someone to "Be Real" is going to be".

John,

One of the qualities any future partner is going to judge you on is your integrity and honesty. Most girls would prefer a quirky bloke that is genuine and real.

If the problems are deep down then learning how to work a room and learning what to say will also not fix these deeper problems but itwill allow a person to hide them away long enough to have a conversation or maybe even get some action.