I want to learn not only how to have a one night stand. but how to make women fall in love with me
I want to master the art of Love, know and understand it, how it works, the science and logic behind it. I want to Master the art. and i feel like the mystery method and all those give you the fish but dont teach you how to fish. I want to learn how to fish. And i would litreally travel across the world to get to this goal of mine, I dont want to get into something and it being fake or foolish, I want to know who is the BEST seducer in the world in you opinions ofcourse there all diffrent im sure. Or the Top Seducers, I want to know what I have to learn to get there,
Some guy told me to truly master seduction its good that you learn NLP and HYpnosis and thats why im here

I know i can get a simple book like speed seduction 3.0 or something that epople have recommended on this site, but my goal isnt to become good with women but to master the art of seduction

what do I need to do, what steps what books what anything do i need to do ..

Thank you very much

Recommendations are greatly appreachted aswell.
Seminars, Movie, Books, Teachers, anything
im starting from ground zero aswell


Thanks


Eddy

I don't like what the term seduction presupposes, like the other person has no part in it. If you think you can "make" anyone do anything then you will never achieve what the true "seducers" actually do

Well, first off ya gotta decide what kinda fish yer fishin' fer. Then you kin figger out where the fish is bitin' and whut they're likin' for bait rat now.

Only a Master? Why have you set your sights so low?

John

Love is only a temporary insanity and easily curable by marriage

So, you want to be able to switch someone else's emotions on and off and leave them desperate for your company. And yet you seem oblivious to the realisation that your own emotions might come into what's happening. Do you want to experience love, or do you want others to love you? And do you think love can exist at all without it being experienced mutually?

I suggest you seduce yourself. Once you love yourself, you'll find the rest of the world is a whole - lot easier.

Ed,
As one of the best seducers known to man, I must say, you sound to me like you have some control issues. As a master seducer I can say that Venus has probably given you the best advice. The first thing is that you must know what you are looking for in a woman. This is critical. Adrian's suggestions are also very relevant. You say a lot of people have suggested Speed Seduction 3.0 (which is a video series, not a book). Maybe they know something that you don't. In fact, they definitely do. Mystery is very good information based on social dynamics. Before I give you advice or suggest materials I would suggest you form very detailed goals of what you want, what type of woman you seek, and above all else, you need to understand that seduction is a process, much like dancing. Learn to love the process and you will be richly rewarded. And welcome to the site.

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or just hang round bars a throwing out time and you'll probably have a good hit %

I do not think that it is possible to start a relationship or only get laid depending on what you want with any woman, at anytime and never ever face rejection again, as most Seducer gurus promise in their sales letters.

To my experience no matter how good you become at this, only 50% is in your hands.

I would also recommend you to choose any seduction or pick up school you want... and do not change it until you master and get results with it. Most probably any technique they teach is useful through the right frame and in the right time of the interaction. And all pick up schools I know, teach students to start the interaction through a different frame.
I've no idea how many women think that I'm a weird guy who probably is on drugs and should stay in a nut-house and it was because I followed advices from lots of different "schools". Also you can imagine the frustration and confusion that one gets by knowing all the theory and not getting any results with it.

I stopped that, I'm just myself now and I know that maybe 1 every 200 women is willing to have some kind of romantic relationship with me. That means that if I apply myself, put myself in social situations, I stay relax and open around people, and I welcome all opportunities around me, I can have a life full of love and/or romantic adventures depending on what I want, without having to act in ways that doesn't feel right for me.

P.S. There are many people everywhere, maybe even in this Forum, who know a little bit about some methods, have never got any real positive result using them, but will repeat what they've read, heard or watched in some videos, books, audios, seminars or forums. They appear to be very wise and convincing, just be alert.

i would suggest watching some David DeAngelo stuff. He's the man. Instead of seducing try to develop the man inside of you, then women will be attracted by that as a natural consequence. Don't pretend to be something you are not, it will leave holes in you and your partner. it will take some time but it beats the alternative, meanwhile you can use some techniques as crutches until you develop the man inside you and you can't get something more natural than that. Real mature men are few. Make a goal to becoming one of them, or at least try.