Warning: I may ask follow up questions to repliers that may or may not sound like challenges, but my primary goal is to understand. Feel free to challenge me as well.

Not taking rape, coercion, or slipping in some pill into consideration which don't count as seduction anyway, I believe that from a man's point of view it is unethical to make a promise and break it and leave a child with a woman and run off.

Other than that, I think it's all fair game. Basically if a woman is actively pursuing or being open to an intimate relationship with me without me lying to her, then I don't see anything wrong with that.

I am confused by some people's negative reactions to men who "use hypnosis" or "NLP tactics" on women. Maybe your definition of hypnosis and NLP is very different from mine.

Isn't dressing well, speaking well, being confident, having great body language and touching, etc forms of hypnotizing people too? Can't establishing rapport, reframing, embedded suggestions, etc be done in ethical ways?

If you agree with the above, then I think it becomes a matter of what you think is ethical use of hypnosis/NLP.

I dunno. All sounds a bit dodgy to me, to be honest!

At the end of the day, I think its best to just use your natural personality to attract a mate. If they like you, then fine. If not, then fine. Speed seduction feels a bit fake to me.

Also, let's examine the differences between speed seduction and a natural charmer. Isn't natural charm a more permanant state? The person they seduce is going to see this charm time and time again. But is speed seduction a once off? Tell me more, if I'm wrong.

I'll finish with a final question for speed seducers. Would you be happy to be both a speed seducer, and also be the subject of another speed seducer? And if you were the subject of a speed seducer, how would you feel if you woke up the next morning to someone you no longer find attractive?

Also, I notice you mention only men being speed seducers of women. Does it work the other way round, and also for gay people? And if not, I'm curious again as to why.

I am not into seducing but I did read Neil Strauss' "The Game" and did a lot of research into seduction when I was in University. My responses are based on my memory of the world of seduction.

At the end of the day, I think its best to just use your natural personality to attract a mate. If they like you, then fine. If not, then fine. Speed seduction feels a bit fake to me.

Pick up artists would call you an AFC = Average Frustrated Chump, I think.

Would you be happy to be both a speed seducer, and also be the subject of another speed seducer?

I think if two PUA's hooked up it would be a match made in heaven.

Also, let's examine the differences between speed seduction and a natural charmer. Isn't natural charm a more permanant state? The person they seduce is going to see this charm time and time again. But is speed seduction a once off? Tell me more, if I'm wrong.

Simpcore didn't say speed seduction specifically, there are tons of different schools of pick up (Just do a quick google search). A 'natural charmer' is a skill/talent that person has and has developed consciously or not over the years. Learning seduction and applying it is no different imo. Seduction will become a part of that person.

In response to Simpcore:

I think your question is very difficult to answer because it is a slippery slope. Seduction can give a man a lot more power over women that he didn't have before. I feel that Pick up really dehumanizes women and the more you do it the more women become challenges instead of people.

I think it is unethical to pick up a woman who is going to regret having met you. Obviously this is a difficult thing to judge but there will be hints and cues as you talk to her more (she has a boyfriend, she doesn't usually do this kind of thing etc.) both of those statements could mean you will be good for her or bad for her (or both).

Just don't lie, don't be sleazy let seduction become a part of you and then you are just being yourself.

Cliff Notes: It is unethical to pick up a women if doing so will negatively affect her life and you know it.

Although who is the judge of what positively or negatively affects someone. That particular girl might not know whats best for her. Also a really good (bad) seducer can alter a girls entire way of thinking.

I guess you just have to be the judge, analyze what your doing and if you feel good about doing it.

I don't recommend becoming a pick up artist just use the art of seduction in your life to better yourself as a person. Don't manipulate, enhance.

But why all this talk of the man being the seducer and the woman being the target? Why not the other way round? If its a man only technique, that in itself makes me think of it as unethical.

Riley Pohl wrote:

Pick up artists would call you an AFC = Average Frustrated Chump, I think.

How interesting. I'm inclined to think it is the speed seducers who may be frustrated, hence their need to use a ''technique'' to persuade people to sleep with them.

I'm not frustrated. People seem to like me for who I am.

Enlightenment Steve wrote:

I dunno. All sounds a bit dodgy to me, to be honest!

At the end of the day, I think its best to just use your natural personality to attract a mate. If they like you, then fine. If not, then fine. Speed seduction feels a bit fake to me.

Also, let's examine the differences between speed seduction and a natural charmer. Isn't natural charm a more permanant state? The person they seduce is going to see this charm time and time again. But is speed seduction a once off? Tell me more, if I'm wrong.

I'll finish with a final question for speed seducers. Would you be happy to be both a speed seducer, and also be the subject of another speed seducer? And if you were the subject of a speed seducer, how would you feel if you woke up the next morning to someone you no longer find attractive?

Also, I notice you mention only men being speed seducers of women. Does it work the other way round, and also for gay people? And if not, I'm curious again as to why.

I was not speaking exclusively for the Speed Seduction product, but...

As far as your concern for the fake persona issue when dealing with "learned" seduction skills... Whenever you learn something new isn't there some unnaturalness at first until you get used to the new skills, attitudes, beliefs, etc that comes with experience? I'm not sure what you can define as "fake". I think being fake is when you lie and make false promises. To me, learning something new, and changing yourself does not mean you are being fake.

You ask how I would feel if a woman Speed Seduced me? So would I be happy if a woman aroused great feelings and arousal in me? Of course YES! Well... In the right context, of course. I wouldn't want super physically attractive women appearing before my eyes while I'm trying to perform a surgery. I'm not sure what you mean by waking up the next morning to someone you no longer find attractive in relation to Speed Seduction though. I think you can blame alcohol, heavy makeup, and very flattering outfits for that way more than Speed Seduction, lol.

Speed Seduction is for teaching men to seduce women. Ross Jeffries created it b/c he did not have any luck with women but started to get more success after he started applying NLP into his life and communication. He felt that there weren't many resources available to men that teach how to seduce women. Whereas, there were many resources for women about relationships and how to attract a men. For men in history it used to be the general advice about getting rich, having nice things, having positions of power, and being nice/gentlemanly so that you are on some level of status where you deserve attractive women... Speed Seduction was kind of one of the pioneers that went against this thinking on a mass scale and taught that you can attract women without having these THINGS. I think that is the gist of it. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks Steve A.

You say you would be happy if a woman seduced you. The problem for me is that I don't understand exactly how this speed seduction works. So let me give you this example as I see it.

Could a woman who you would normally not find attractive use these skills to seduce you? So imagine now a woman who you find very very unattactive physically. OK, got that. Now imagine its morning and you are in bed with her. The previous night you fancied her for an hour or two while she seduced you. Now you don't. How do you feel?

Enlightenment Steve wrote:

But why all this talk of the man being the seducer and the woman being the target? Why not the other way round? If its a man only technique, that in itself makes me think of it as unethical.

B/c these are communities and products made by men for men to seduce women. Just like bikinis were made for women. I'm not sure if there is anything unethical just b/c something is marketed to a certain segment of the population. I don't know what a "man only technique" is.

Target does not mean all women are some sort of targets to be "shot at". It is just a word to describe a woman you're interested in and seducing to distinguish her from other women in a social group.