what up!

i just finished reading frogs into princes for the second time, and i started thinking about uptime.

He says that he uses uptime to enable a wider range of behaviors and to become better at eliciting responses from others that he is looking for without conscious effort, so its faster and seamless. Seems like a good idea for seduction if you ask me...

also i was wondering exactly how to actually get into the state of uptime, haven't tried anything yet and i find it very curious.

ohhh one other random thought, there are all these different phobia cures out there and i haven't seen one bit on installing a phobia, is it the reverse process of taking it away???

thank you and goodnight!

Hi Alex

As far as I am aware... uptime is a state of high awareness and flexibility - receiving all the information another person is giving you, as well as constantly checking yourself for congruity and any limiting behaviours. You can learn to do this with some good NLP training, commitment and practice.

Here's an inside-out tip - wear a ring and instruct yourself that whenever you see or feel it on your finger you can just stop, notice yourself in your body at that moment and notice all that's happening around you. You might want to react in some way on the new information you just received.

I imagine a phobia could be installed, but only with a person's express permission. Otherwise, it would obviously be wholely unethical. If it's for yourself, might there be a more positive way to avoid something?

Be well!

to train uptime, focus on your senses, practice absorbing completely everything around you. You need to shut down the self-referential internal dialogue, and focus on what is actually happening in the world, silence your thoughts-about-it, and respond instead to what IT actually is.

arlo_ben wrote:

to train uptime, focus on your senses, practice absorbing completely everything around you. You need to shut down the self-referential internal dialogue, and focus on what is actually happening in the world, silence your thoughts-about-it, and respond instead to what IT actually is.

that's what i thought, i was wondering how it is to shut down the internal dialogue, to be honest it's hard for me to even notice when it's there or not. when you say absorb everything around me, do you mean focus on the external submodalities of everything??

what up!

i just finished reading frogs into princes for the second time, and i started thinking about uptime.

He says that he uses uptime to enable a wider range of behaviors and to become better at eliciting responses from others that he is looking for without conscious effort, so its faster and seamless. Seems like a good idea for seduction if you ask me...

also i was wondering exactly how to actually get into the state of uptime, haven't tried anything yet and i find it very curious.

arcampan wrote:

ohhh one other random thought, there are all these different phobia cures out there and i haven't seen one bit on installing a phobia, is it the reverse process of taking it away???

thank you and goodnight!

RB often mentions there only two fundamental phobias / fears that the humans are born with 1. Fear of falling 2. Fear of loud noises and to install a phobia you could create an anchor to these two fundamental phobias and fire on the context.

bharathkumars wrote:

and to install a phobia you could create an anchor to these two fundamental phobias and fire on the context.

that is so simple and brilliant i love it thanks!

Hi Alex

The key to uptime is your peripheral vision. Choose a spot on the wall in front of you and stare at it. now allow your attention to take in everything to the left of the spot (but keep staring at the same spot), then allow your attention to take in everything above the spot as well as everything to the left. repeat with everything to the right and beneath.

With practice you will be able to pay attention to everything in your field of view at the same time, especially movement. If you do this in a place where there are lots of people (a local shopping centre would be good for this) you will be able to pay attention to all the people moving at the same time.

If you are doing this right you won't be able to have internal dialogue. to help this along a bit try holding your tongue so the tip is lightly touching the roof of your mouth.

Another way of accessing uptime is to imagine an orange hanging in the air a little behind and above you head.

Here's a much quicker way than what Steven as laid out- Close your eyes and for 20-30 seconds imagine you have a tennis ball hovering above your head about 12-18 inches- place all your attention there, keeping your attention up there look around and go for a little walk, your whole vision scape will open up and your not stuck to just a one spot focus point. After about 3-7 minutes practice you be able to do this any time and any place in an instant.

J

Wow, you're right. Thats much better!

Steven,

Did you really do the exercise Jay suggested? If so, how do you know you can do it any time any place in an instant? I see there's only 11 minutes difference in the times of your postings and I'm guessing one would need to allow some time for reading and writing as well as doing the exercise.

That doesn't leave much time for checking it out in the real world, though, does it?

Venus
Just call me "cynic"

cool ideas i'll have to try them out, I'm also curious as to the theory behind how that works.

it seems that you need to go into downtime to get into uptime ya?

it also seems to only use the visual system, any way to work in the others? Or by using the visual tennis ball lead, does that automatically kick in uptime so that you don't need the other systems?

venus_brown wrote:

Steven,

Did you really do the exercise Jay suggested? If so, how do you know you can do it any time any place in an instant? I see there's only 11 minutes difference in the times of your postings and I'm guessing one would need to allow some time for reading and writing as well as doing the exercise.

That doesn't leave much time for checking it out in the real world, though, does it?

Venus
Just call me "cynic"

ok, your a cynic

Yes of course I did the exercise

I could already go into uptime in a moments notice. practicing the technique I describe will lead to that also. I use uptime everyday.

Do you think it would be impossible for me to tell whether this technique would be better for someone new to it? It simply seemed easier

But lets break it down anyway.

I was on the thread at the time of his post so lets say it was a minute before I saw it. Lets give me a minute to read his post and another minute to ponder it. Thats 8 minutes left. lets say I try it 3 or 4 times. I'll be generous to your theory and say it took a minute each time. Thats 4 minutes left. I try switching a few times without eyes closed. 2 minutes left.

How long does it take to write "wow, your right, thats much better"?

cool ideas i'll have to try them out, I'm also curious as to the theory behind how that works.

You can experience each of your rep systems internally or externally i.e. you can see a tree in real life or you can imagine a tree, you can listen to a person sing in real life or you can imagine them singing. This is true for Auditory Digital also. So you can speak out loud or have internal dialogue.

Uptime is paying attention to external stimulus only.

There is only so much information you can take in at any one time and what uptime does is allow all that attention to be focused on your surroundings. combined with the use of your peripheral vision this allows you to see things you would normally miss.

it seems that you need to go into downtime to get into uptime ya?

No I don't think so

it also seems to only use the visual system, any way to work in the others? Or by using the visual tennis ball lead, does that automatically kick in uptime so that you don't need the other systems?

Sorry I don't know the answer to this. I assume it can be used in other rep systems but I don't know how

".. you can imagine them singing ... "

*Imagine?*

As in: 'make an image - and then add sound?'

Try 'create a sound'. Or 'remember a sound'.

"Uptime is paying attention to external stimulus only."

Nope. This was one of the big mistakes in the first formulation and presentation of the concept (of 4-tuples, and uptime). And it was pointed out to B&G by Paul Carter in an early workshop, as detailed in a footnote in Patterns II (1977).

Uptime is everything else other than remembered or constructed.

It thus includes internal K, now, as well as external K, now. (And I would add "K-at-a-distance", now - which is both external and internal. But then, I'm more thorough.)

And as for:

"There is only so much information you can take in at any one time."

Myself, I consider that something of a limiting belief. (Smiley.)

Eric.

Steven,

You're so funny! (chuckle)

Venus

Thanks for the clarifications Eric

So if uptime is everything but remembered and constructed. If we could we consider constructed to be future tense and remembered to be past tense is uptime whatever is happening in the present tense? i.e. being in the moment

Am I on the right line here?

ericrobbie wrote:

And as for:

"There is only so much information you can take in at any one time."

Myself, I consider that something of a limiting belief. (Smiley.)

Eric.

Or is it just a limiting belief that the amount of information we can take in cannot be increased?

Personally, I think it is important and useful to recognise that we don't experience most of the stimulus possible.

StevenGoodall wrote:

No I don't think so

I don't know why this isn't included in the quote but i said you need to go into downtime to get into uptime and you say...no i don't think so.

your example does not include downtime because you are working with only peripheral vision, but the tennis ball one does include downtime.

You imagine a tennis ball a top your head...thats a constructed image so it cannot be uptime and must be downtime right? And if Eric's definition is wrong then it is still downtime because it is an internal experience...the tennis ball is not actually there. Just figured i'd point that out

You said it seems you need to go into downtime first. That is what I was saying no to. It isn't essential and and it only takes a few practices with either of the techniques before you can just switch automatically with no need for tennis balls or choosing a spot on the wall etc.

So to answer your question, downtime isn't required to go into uptime

BTW I doubt Erics definition is wrong

ahhhh i see, and i would agree with you, i wasn't being very purposeful when I used the word need.

and yea, I wouldn't doubt eric's definition to be wrong either.