Matt

re"According to my friends who were conscious enough on my stag do to find out, e50 is the going rate for a prostitute and taking this path comes with 100% effectiveness rating. How much is it to attend SS training? Now calculate the time invested to learn and follow SS moves as opposed to the other method and time taken in all the 'learning opportunities' our man can reflect on while watching late night TV alone."

comparing the tuition of training that gives you skills to the rate a prostitute charges is hardly analogous. (you don't even have to like the training to be able to figure that one)
and the end result is that learning how to seduce a woman is more valuable than paying a prostitute for sex

re:"Well done for taking an insignificant part of my post and making it into a big deal"

a question asked = "a big deal"? interesting.....you were the one who not only gave your unsolicited negative opinion of SS but also the kind of guys who allegedly took the course. I never even brought it up

re"and that is a third outcome, again different from the other two. If that is his plan then maybe a totally different strategy is needed."

hhhmmm.I think you're having a difficult time distinguishing between b-e-h-a-v-i-o-r-s and outcomes.

re:"I find that when people see sex or money as a way to happiness quite often there are many other factors which are more desierable, the sex and money make up the dream but in reality they pay no part in whether a person has self esteem, self confidence or quality or personality which is often the goal that gets disguised as a quest for sex and money."

the guy wants to get laid and if the possibility exists that he can have a satisfying long term relationship with any particular woman he sleeps with, then he wants that too.
there is no "hidden deep inner" meaning there

(I've read this thread also) you,Matt, are "hallucinating" that he may really want happiness or should want "more" (the above) when he hasn't stated any of the sort

sure he wonders what kind of personality type he is but he just trying to manage his experience to be successfully with ladies

I am glad our friend has both of us working to his best interest then, thanks for your thoughts,

All the best,

Matt

Felix20000 wrote:

But why showing enthusiasm around people seems hard to me ? Is it because I havent done it for long time ? Doesnt it mean that I am hardly introverted or something ?

Do you ever feel enthusiastic about anything? If you don't, that may be why you aren't showing it. There's nothing to show.

If you do, do you share that thing with others? If you don't, that may be why you aren't showing it. You keep it to yourself.

If you feel enthusiastic about something, you share that thing with others, but you don't show enthusiasm, what prevents you?

Secondly , I have problem to behave friendly and to talk about personal life with unknown people , even simple questions like ask How are you is doing problem for me....

I don't do it either. I get to know them first. NLP training can help you to develop skills in getting people to talk about themselves and in devweloping a healthy curiosity in yourself.

Can I change it ? Isnt it characteristic of hardly introverted person ?

I've known plenty of extraverted people whose enthusiasm is fake and whose only interest in others is as an audience.

Your introversion is actually an advantage to you in wanting to develop your social skills, because you honest-to-goodness care about how you're coming across to people and can empathize with them. You have the ability to practice in your own mind and have the skill come out in reality.

So... demonstrating enthusiasm and engaging others in interesting conversations. Now that we know what you want, we need to know how you want it, and so on. Can anyone following this offer a link to a thread on well-formed outcomes?

Have you tried finding out if there is any pua's in your area?

There may be something on the forum already but just by writing ''well formed outcomes'' in the google search engine can give alot of results.

The NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) method of goal-refining questions

This really helped me because I found that my outcomes differ from a the others when it comes to woman. I thought that I wanted loads of womans phone numbers like some PUA's and my friends. Aftyer a while I found out that not true. Whats the point when you are not going to phone half of them up?

Im kind of introverted but I am outgoing and doing different activities. I am also working on building rapport with peaple in conversational skills and other stuff.

When I am talking to woman on a night out Im ok sometimes. I can build rapport with some woman. Some woman I really get on with some I can't.

I usually have some ideas on how to start convos before I get out the house. ( I don't use pickup lines)

To build enthusiasm I usually listen to music before I leave. Also I found that you have to be in the right ''state'' for me to apporouch woman and talk. For me to get into this state I usually talk to my firends, peaple behind the bar and three groups of woman.

WE have to remember that most of the rapport that we have with peaple is from our body language! 55% of it I think. That is very important. Tha's when mirroring and matching is very important on a night out.