Hey, Im new to the forum, I have read through "The Game" and "Mystery Method" and a few more articles to do with NLP and things, and I saw a few vids on youtube which amazed me if I'm honest.

But my question is, does age matter?

I am 18 years old, and think if I walked up to another 17 or 18 year old and did these pick up techniques and NLP, they would probably laugh in my face for even talking to them when I dont know them.

I could be totally wrong, so do correct me please.

Thanks, Daniel

Here, sir, is the answer you've been waiting for.......No, so go out and have some fun.

Dan I agree with you so what you need to do is look at the process behind the words/content and change the words to suit....

I can tell you that when I have opened a set and I am talking to women I do a lot of information gathering. I ask lots of questions and get an idea of the sort of person they are then I decide on my approach or not if they do not fit my criteria of an interesting person.

Learning Mystery Method, Speed Seduction et al is just a starting point it gets you from AFC to competent with inner confidence from then on you need to own the processes they teach and just be authentic...

At 18 all you should really need is a nice smile and the ability to approach another 17-18 year old and say "shall we just go back to my place and f**k!" Statistically you will get a yes eventually

In answer to the question does age matter the answer is NO, however size might

Being young could infact become a great asset to you, you can get away with things an older person will be expected to 'know better', you can use this to your advantage.

"I am 18 years old, and think if I walked up to another 17 or 18 year old and did these pick up techniques and NLP, they would probably laugh in my face for even talking to them when I dont know them."

Did you miss out the parts about building rapport, pacing and leading?

Girls also like a person who can roll with a f*****up situation. If they laugh just turn that into a positive part of your routine, if you are laughing too then it can be a great opportunity to build rapport. At first you may get it wrong more times than you get it right and if you take on the feedback you will soon find the ratio starts to swing the other way.

Good luck,

Matt

Jason, you said: I can tell you that when I have opened a set and I am talking to women I do a lot of information gathering. I ask lots of questions and get an idea of the sort of person they are

Does this not come across as being needy, which is bad?

I will give it a try by laughing with them, thanks

Daniel,
Because of my affiliation with the seduction community it is entirely possible that this thread will get hijacked. If that happens, I apologize. As concerns the eminent Mr. Pearson’s post, when you open a set, yes, you are trying to accomplish certain things. You want to demonstrate higher value, however, you also need to find out certain things, such as, what kind of girl is she? Is there any common ground? Is her personality appealing to you, etc. Here’s what I do, I take whatever she gives me and use that to learn about her. So, what does Mystery say? At some point during A2 you ask the question, “How do you all know each other?” Well, let’s say she says they work together. Do you need more than that? No, you proceed as follows: “Oh, where do you work? What kind of work do you do? What do you like about your job? Oh, you’re a stripper and you’re putting yourself through law school; what kind of law do you intend to practice?”
I hope this is making sense to you. I will say, without a doubt, the best way to establish rapport is to be genuinely interested in her. It’s that easy. It really is.
Do this for me. When you see a hot babe and you wish to approach, get yourself into a curious state. Just be curious about her. Want to get to know her. Forget about sex and all that; just find out what kind of person she is. You may find out that she turns you on physically, but turns you off in other ways, in which case you find this out early and cut your losses and you’re on to the next set.

danieljamie wrote:

Jason, you said: I can tell you that when I have opened a set and I am talking to women I do a lot of information gathering. I ask lots of questions and get an idea of the sort of person they are

Does this not come across as being needy, which is bad?

Well if you have a whiny voice and say "Pleeeeease can I come and speak with you?" then yes this is bad and is called placating or more commonly begging. Women can smell desperation at 100 yards.

However as Tony has stated if you are genuinely interested in that person it comes across and the process of building rapport is a natural action.

Also I am listening out for not only what she is saying but also specifically when her tonality changes....... (can't say to much more on this it would be giving away really cool trade secrets and this is not the place for them)

Tell me the last time that a woman was genuinely interested in you did she ask lots of questions and listen to you or did she talk incessantly until you were bored stupid (or did you do that to her?)

I think that my post may sound a little anagonistic and it is not meant that way. Being able to approach women and talk to them with genuine interest and honest integrity should be is in and of itself considered an art form. Personally I think that if someone has has taken the time to be able to do this well and with finesse it is one of the highest compliments you can pay another individual.

If anyone then uses these skills to mislead and shag around and I hope that their dick shrivels up like a dried prune.

Jason

aikijason wrote:

Well if you have a whiny voice and say "Pleeeeease can I come and speak with you?" then yes this is bad and is called placating or more commonly begging. Women can smell desperation at 100 yards.

However as Tony has stated if you are genuinely interested in that person it comes across and the process of building rapport is a natural action.

Also I am listening out for not only what she is saying but also specifically when her tonality changes....... (can't say to much more on this it would be giving away really cool trade secrets and this is not the place for them)

Tell me the last time that a woman was genuinely interested in you did she ask lots of questions and listen to you or did she talk incessantly until you were bored stupid (or did you do that to her?)

I think that my post may sound a little anagonistic and it is not meant that way. Being able to approach women and talk to them with genuine interest and honest integrity should be is in and of itself considered an art form. Personally I think that if someone has has taken the time to be able to do this well and with finesse it is one of the highest compliments you can pay another individual.

If anyone then uses these skills to mislead and shag around and I hope that their dick shrivels up like a dried prune.

Jason

This explains a lot.

Sometimes nature plays horrible tricks on certain people maybe it is karma

i dont want to shag around and mislead people i just want to make new friends and be more confidant . thanks for all your advice

Good luck, sir. I wish you well on your journey. It's going to be a fun one.

There are other people who are asking "Am I too old?"

The person you are chatting to may like guys your age or they may like older guys.

The only way to find out is by talking, you will have made a friend, and they will have friends too that you can meet.

So get out there, just remember to be yourself and you will be fine.

southnick wrote:

There are other people who are asking "Am I too old?"

The person you are chatting to may like guys your age or they may like older guys.

The only way to find out is by talking, you will have made a friend, and they will have friends too that you can meet.

So get out there, just remember to be yourself and you will be fine.

Or, if the girl brings up age you can chunk up, find out the higher value and use that.......

NLP for chatting-up? How sad.

Chunk up? Someone needs to get out more.

D

9Steps wrote:

NLP for chatting-up? How sad.

Chunk up? Someone needs to get out more.

D

I get out plenty. Jealous? Sounds like it to me.

russianbear wrote:

I get out plenty. Jealous? Sounds like it to me.

Jealous? What does it sound like I am jealous of? Using NLP to get dates or getting out a lot?

If you get both then frankly, good luck to you. It just sounded sad if you need to use NLP before women find you attractive. Call me old-fashioned but I am often very dubious about people who habitually use jargon in their speech. Try to find a way of forgiving me.

Life is great. Have a good day.

D

9Steps wrote:

Jealous? What does it sound like I am jealous of? Using NLP to get dates or getting out a lot?

If you get both then frankly, good luck to you. It just sounded sad if you need to use NLP before women find you attractive. Call me old-fashioned but I am often very dubious about people who habitually use jargon in their speech. Try to find a way of forgiving me.

Life is great. Have a good day.

D

You're right, tough guy. I'll rephrase that:

If a girl has an objection based on your age, in other words, she feels your too young, find out what is important to her about an older man.

As far as using NLP to get dates. Explain to me why it is ok to use NLP to improve any other aspect of your life, but not your social life? That makes no sense to me, so please, educate me.

russianbear wrote:

You're right, tough guy. I'll rephrase that:

Ooh. Tough guy. Is that an embedded command?

If a girl has an objection based on your age, in other words, she feels your too young, find out what is important to her about an older man.

As far as using NLP to get dates. Explain to me why it is ok to use NLP to improve any other aspect of your life, but not your social life? That makes no sense to me, so please, educate me.

By social life, do you really mean sex life? Why so squeamish? - possibly you already think that using NLP to get the ladies in bed is not something that most people would find acceptable? Deep down I mean.

I have always thought that honesty and integrity is the right approach when dealing with ladies. I never have been a notch on the bed-head kind of a guy, and I always thought that the Ross Jeffreys approach (for example) was tawdry and manipulative. But then if you've ever seen him you instinctively know why he had to use NLP.

As to the rest, you make the presumption that I agree NLP can improve "any other aspect of your life". I think in general that the concept of NLP greatly improving life is predicated on someone's life being pretty sad to begin with. Much of NLP is not new knowledge but old knowledge newly analysed and differently applied. Not to say it can't bring some benefits of course, depending on the tools you use. But if you are using embedded commands (for example) to get dates then I think it is all rather squalid.

Still, diffrent strokes fer diffrent folx. If it give you joy then good luck to you. Me, I prefer a little integrity in my relationships but hey, perhaps I haven't needed much manipulation to find good relationships.

As opposed to just wanting another notch - believe it or not, some guys need that to maintain their self-esteem and sense of worth.

Life is great, have a wonderful day.

D

“By social life, do you really mean sex life? Why so squeamish? - possibly you already think that using NLP to get the ladies in bed is not something that most people would find acceptable? Deep down I mean.”

Ass-u-me. When you assume you make an ass of, well, really just yourself. You assume sex life. I believe the words I used were “social life.” NLP can be used for many things. In the seduction community, the most common application of NLP is by a guru, or teacher, mentor, what have you, to help the student improve his confidence and self-esteem. Helping him access resourceful states to overcome anxiety to approach women he finds interesting.

”I have always thought that honesty and integrity is the right approach when dealing with ladies. I never have been a notch on the bed-head kind of a guy, and I always thought that the Ross Jeffreys approach (for example) was tawdry and manipulative. But then if you've ever seen him you instinctively know why he had to use NLP.”

Please link one single post I’ve made that advocates dishonesty and manipulation. Show me where I’ve advocated being a “notch in the bed kind of guy.” No, I advocate being playful and interested in the other person. So, you’re saying that Ross is what, so ugly he should not be allowed to enjoy pleasant experiences with beautiful women so his only choice is to invest in a self-help program to be able to accomplish what he wants? And if you’re going to criticize the man, you can at least have the integrity to spell his name correctly.

”As to the rest, you make the presumption that I agree NLP can improve "any other aspect of your life". I think in general that the concept of NLP greatly improving life is predicated on someone's life being pretty sad to begin with. Much of NLP is not new knowledge but old knowledge newly analysed and differently applied. Not to say it can't bring some benefits of course, depending on the tools you use. But if you are using embedded commands (for example) to get dates then I think it is all rather squalid.”

You know what your problem is, you don’t even realize that there are a lot of people that use certain techniques naturally. Before I became involved in the seduction community I was already using things such fractionation, pattern interrupts, embedded commands. Now that I’ve learned that these techniques are also used in NLP should I stop using them?

”Still, diffrent strokes fer diffrent folx. If it give you joy then good luck to you. Me, I prefer a little integrity in my relationships but hey, perhaps I haven't needed much manipulation to find good relationships.”

Every time you open your mouth and speak, which in your case usually involves ideas that are not very well thought out, you are attempting to manipulate, so don’t blame me for the guilt you feel or the jealousy that I do it better.

”As opposed to just wanting another notch - believe it or not, some guys need that to maintain their self-esteem and sense of worth.”

I have nearly 500 posts on this forum. It shouldn’t take you long to find one of them that advocates such a lifestyle.

Life is great, have a wonderful day.

Wow not sure what to say to all of that !!
I dont agree with manipulating a girl into bed, but i do think NLP being used to improve ones social status is okay, as it is just trying to build trust and rapport. I think it is also good to help overcome approach anxiety.

But my point of this question was that I thought any regular 18 year old english girl would just laugh at the sound of the tricks and jokes in "The Game" book, even though he managed to get so many numbers in it.

Thanks, Dan