Only, it won't, will it David? As the snide tone of your last comment makes clear, along with the majority of your other posts, you find it impossible to say anything without using a forked tongue.

As to the 'seduction community' etc, I used to share some of your own thoughts on this matter, and for some people they're still relevant.

But let's be straight here: when playing the mating game, everyone has an angle of some sort.

For some it's a Ferrari, for others it's salsa dancing, for others still the skills they've learned as a counsellor.

And there are men who find the whole business so intimidating that they end up in Speed Seduction classes.

Does that make them pitiable and to be laughed at?

Well, only if you find the idea of a womens' empowerment group likewise worthy of mirth.

Personally, I've found what I've learned (from NLP in general, I've never done SS training) invaluable in dealing with women I date. Do you really expect to me to be able to put aside what I know about communication when it comes to interacting with women? Even if it were possible, the concept is ridiculous; that you fail to utilise the very qualities that make you distinctive and potential mate-material because they give you an unfair advantage. Dumb move.

As for the business of having one night stands and not being able to angage at an 'authentic' level...are your person-centred roots showing David? Guess what, all kinds of people have one night stands some of the time. Some of them develop into lasting and loving relationships. And it helps to go through that process to prepare for same. Whatever age your partner is.

aikijason wrote:

Dear All,

I thought on this thread we were attempting to offer Daniel some support and maybe a little confidence so that approaching females would not seem so difficult.

Seems that a few of you don't have anything constructive to say here other than criticising each others approaches and usage of good communication skills.

Milton Erickson once said to a bunch of psychiatrists in a convention "you are all a bunch of turkeys!" so guys before we throw any more guano at each other think about Daniel what sort of impression is he getting as a new member of the forum?

Ass you can see we can all get crappy on here with posts but heres the challenge lets see how long you can stay off your respective high horses and post constructive support to someone who has asked for it.

Jason

Excellently stated Jason .

Differing perspectives are always useful, however, when it turns into what appears to me (remembering of course that its only in my model of the world) as point scoring or mud slinging, the usefulness is greatly diminished.

Be happy

Sinéad

adrian r wrote:

Only, it won't, will it David? As the snide tone of your last comment makes clear, along with the majority of your other posts, you find it impossible to say anything without using a forked tongue.

As for the business of having one night stands and not being able to angage at an 'authentic' level...are your person-centred roots showing David? Guess what, all kinds of people have one night stands some of the time. Some of them develop into lasting and loving relationships. And it helps to go through that process to prepare for same. Whatever age your partner is.

Hmmm. Snide. Forked tongue. Not a promising start. That will mean you either don't agree with what I have said bit don't quite know how to argue to the contrary, or you find it persuasive but have the uncomfortable feeling that you shouldn't.

No matter, allow me to put you straight.

I don't make snide comments, I make comments that can be interpreted in different ways and I work quite hard at it. We call this artfully vague language, but you should know that. In fact you do know it but you don't approve of the way I do it. And I don't really care.

I don't speak with a forked tongue but I do give what I say some thought. Sorry if you find it hard to deal with, or frustrating to get the better of. The skill of using language is something we should all aim for. In fact, if I am not mistaken you go on from criticising my thoughtful use of language to defending the thoughtful use of language by yourself. In fact you consider in me it is a weakness but in you it is a part of your attractiveness. Interesting in a way but not well thought out.

You also seem not to be able to make a distinction between dating (which always starts out with a single occasion), and the intentional manipulation of women with the sole aim of getting them into bed. I draw your attention to the use of language here too. They do not refer to 'dating techniques' or 'attraction techniques' or self-improvement' techniques but to 'seduction techniques'. I feel I should but feel I should not have to draw the difference between these things to your attention since you seem not to be able to tell the difference. And you should be able to tell the difference. These people don't want dates. They don't even want sex. They want dominance and superiority and the good feelings it brings them. In my experience that is usually a character flaw not a character strength but you may consider that to be 'forked tongue' or something.

I know what you are feeling though. You come across someone who has a way with words and you resent it but can't quite seem to say why. You find someone who is not interested in establishing a rapport with you and you resent that too because you think they should be. In fact you think they should act just like you and they don't so you resent that as well. All-in-all you just resent them, not what they say, which is just silly. This is called ad-hominem.

I doubt you can point to s single instance of me using an ad-hominem attack but there are lots aimed at me. I notice you have very little to say about those.

If you don't like my posts, may I recommend that you do not deliberately start to read them? That seems sensible, though I am sure you will consider it snide.

Have great day.

D

Wow.

Just...wow.

The normal response at this point would be to call you an armchair psychologist, but you actually charge for this stuff, don't you?

Do you tell your paying clients it's all about you as well?

No wonder you've so much free time between gigs.

9Steps wrote:

These people don't want dates. They don't even want sex. They want dominance and superiority and the good feelings it brings them.
D

David

Can you help me out here?

Is that everybody who ever has and everybody who ever will learn seduction techniques or is that just what it means to you and you have therefore, generalised your meaning?

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the specific learnings or teachings on this subject, I do not have the experience to do so. Just interested to understand your specific meaning.

Be happy

Sinéad

adrian r wrote:

Wow.

Just...wow.

The normal response at this point would be to call you an armchair psychologist, but you actually charge for this stuff, don't you?

I am a psychologist as it happens. Well, my bachelors was in Psychology. I wouldn't be the one to call your comments snide or anything, nossir, but I notice you don't try to point out where I am wrong.

Do you tell your paying clients it's all about you as well?

You lost me. I am sure it is my fault but you lost me.

No wonder you've so much free time between gigs.

How much time do I have between 'gigs' actually? care to share?

Have a great day.

D

9Steps wrote:

I know. Everyone is a moron if your not bright enough to understand what they say.

Not a word I used son, you really must try to stop projecting.

Try not to use bad language Tony, it only makes you look limited. You don't want to feel limited and inadequate do you? You know - *that* feeling. The one you used to get when people dominated you. The feeling that whatever you did was futile and born of failure and sterility. That feeling.

Keep chasing the notches son, it is really important to keep doing what makes you feel good about yourself.

Have a great day.

D

Still waiting for you to post a link to anything I've written that indicates that I'm "chasing notches." You make a lot of smart-ass comments, but you sure as hell don't write anything constructive. You make accusations about me, but when asked to back them up, you can't.

9Steps wrote:

'Seduction community' heh.

Euphemism for sad people who can only get their jollies dominating women and manipulating them into bed so you can somehow feel good about yourself.

The problem is that your reactions demonstrate the very points that people make about you. You prove them right through your responses. Perhaps you should look deep inside yourself, see the real you down there among all the sex-addiction and need to dominate. Ask yourself if it is really worth it being so dark and tawdry. I mean, what is life about if all you have is that little thing a few inches below your navel eh? What is it all worth if all you have to feel good about is manipulating women. You know the sense of self-admiration you get when you manage to bed a woman that wouldn't even look at you if you didn't have your 'special' skills. But it is always so short-lived isn't it?, and you know you know oh so well how hard it is to ignore the look of disgust on their faces as they see you in the morning and wonder how and why that happened. How hard it is to pretend that look really means something else. This is why you only ever get one-night-stands, and of course you kid yourself that this is all you really want because you know this is all you can really get.

Have a look at the look on the face of the next one when she wakes up in the morning, checks you out and can't understand why that happened, check out the look of self-loathing she has, just for that fleeting moment before she covcers it up with something else. You know its there. How she normally aims so much higher. Look for the look of disgust and bewilderment. You know what it is - you've seen it so many times and pretended it was something else.

Know your true worth Mr Notches, look in their eyes to see yourself and know what they think about you, and know this is what you must think about yourself.

And have a great day.

D

Surely you can come up with one post where I advocate manipulating women, or I'm a sex addict, etc. If you're going to accuse me of something, you just make yourself look foolish in front of all these people by not being able to back it up.

russianbear wrote:

Still waiting for you to post a link to anything I've written that indicates that I'm "chasing notches." You make a lot of smart-ass comments, but you sure as hell don't write anything constructive. You make accusations about me, but when asked to back them up, you can't.

Oh I don't know. It seems a reasonable enough conclusion to reach about someone like you - a so-called member of the 'seduction community' (though that is a somewhat charitable reframe). It is consistent with the facts as available, principal among those facts being your own personal history as stated by you yourself in a post in this forum.

It is possible I am wrong but I don't think so. I am satisfied as to the substance of my conclusions about you, and also my conclusions about the substance of you.

Now if you will excuse me...

D

9Steps wrote:

Oh I don't know. It seems a reasonable enough conclusion to reach about someone like you - a so-called member of the 'seduction community' (though that is a somewhat charitable reframe). It is consistent with the facts as available, principal among those facts being your own personal history as stated by you yourself in a post in this forum.

It is possible I am wrong but I don't think so. I am satisfied as to the substance of my conclusions about you, and also my conclusions about the substance of you.

Now if you will excuse me...

D

And you base your opinions on.......

russianbear wrote:

And you base your opinions on.......

You must have missed the bit where I said "It is consistent with the facts as available, principal among those facts being your own personal history as stated by you yourself in a post in this forum."

I can't honestly see the point in further conversation.

I wish you a nice day and as many notches as you need to feel adequate.

D

9Steps wrote:

You must have missed the bit where I said "It is consistent with the facts as available, principal among those facts being your own personal history as stated by you yourself in a post in this forum."

I can't honestly see the point in further conversation.

I wish you a nice day and as many notches as you need to feel adequate.

D

there are folks on here who know me, and know you are very wrong about me. Sadly, you're too much of a prick to admit when you're wrong. And in the process, you make yourself look more and more foolish.
You see, the reason you don't post any links to my posts that support what you say is that you can't, because they don't exist. You've probably looked through my posts and see that I was faithfully married until just recenlty, I advocate teaching men the techniques so that they can procure long-term relationships. I vehemently preach against exploitative sexual practices. Admit, fool, you're wrong.

[quote=russianbear;84247]So, every guy out there who's been shot by a parent is a mysoginist?
Non-sequitur.

Every guy decided to improve his life and acquire skills he didn't have before automatically sleeps around.

Non-sequitur.

See, there are folks on here who know me,

Ain't they lucky eh?

and know you are very wrong about me.

Maybe. Maybe not. Its actually not that important to me though it does seem important to you.

Sadly, you're too much of a prick to admit when you're wrong. And in the process, you make yourself look more and more foolish.

Maybe. You certainly think that.

You see, the reason you don't post any links to my posts that support what you say is that you can't, because they don't exist.

Straw man.

You've probably looked through my posts and see that I was faithfully married until just recenlty,

Nope. Not that interested in you or what you have been up to.

I advocate teaching men the techniques so that they can procure long-term relationships. I vehemently preach against exploitative sexual practices.

Excellent. Number 1 straight-up guy. The 'seduction community' is nothing like a bunch of losers who want to get back at the world for being losers. Not manipulative, nossir.

Admit, fool, you're wrong.

*yawn*. I think I am right. And you think I am right too. If you didn't think I am right then you wouldn't be trying so hard to persuade me that I am wrong. It seems important to you for some reason that I believe you. But what you really want is for you to believe you.

Here, let me make it easy for you. I don't actually care if I am right or wrong about you. You don't seem to understand why someone couldn't care less about you. Which is odd really because there have been so many of them.

Now, if you will excuse me.

Have a nice day and lots more notches.

D

I guess that any publicity is good publicity huh?

aikijason wrote:

I guess that any publicity is good publicity huh?

Thanks for outing me Jason, now everyone will know that I put notches on my bed post, not for my many conquests, but for each piece of publicity I get.

Hi All,

This particular thread about PUA's has grabbed my attention more than most on NLPC, but maybe not for the reasons intended by Dan the original poster perhaps.

To Dan I would say that of course age difference does not matter in matters of seduction between consenting adults who have the capacity to do so. It's how that point of agreement is defined and worked towards that starts to bother folk I think.

However what all that means in the real world starts to get complicated quickly in a sea of nominalisation and value judgement. I have some of my own even. What is important is what yours are of course, being mindful of them and how they might change over time.

As you can see, it does matter to some people some of the time, and I think it matters to you, but that's cool. For what its worth I am not sure that your open ended question can ever be definitively answered other than by you.

By the way I think some of your subsequent responses were some of the more reasonable ones on this thread, and as long as you keep thinking about what you are about, how your behaviour may affect others and ask decent questions, you will have fine intimate encounters.

Learning about the ways of seducing is difficult for many of us. There is nothing wrong with applying NLP to these rites of passage to negotiate them successfully in my opinion, so long as seduction skills once learnt, with or without accelerated processes become a platform to other places that would not have been attainable before. Just a personal angle of dangle there, and besides I think there are a miriad of other interesting and rewarding ways to apply NLP as well as seduction, of course.

My advice is go out and have a good laugh and find out who ends up in the sack with you at least as much as you put effort into getting into other peoples' pants when you experience attraction(s).

Enjoy

MH

9Steps wrote:

I am satisfied as to the substance of my conclusions about you, and also my conclusions about the substance of you.

Now if you will excuse me...

D

Satisfied. That's what comes across more than anything else. The reek of self-satisfaction. The attitude taken by one supposing themselves at the top of Maslow's pyramid when contemplating the actions of others beneath them.

danieljamie wrote:

But my question is, does age matter?

Yes, Daniel, age matters! It may not matter to those who say it doesn't matter, and it obviously does matter to you!

It also matters to the untold thousands who spend millions on anything that will help them look, feel, act (usually) younger than they are. And yet, as we age, we decay!


It matters to those young men and women who forge ID cards to get into clubs and bars so they can get booze into themselves.

It matters to the wife who's cast aside for the younger woman, and it probably matters to the replacement trophy women, and for sure it matters to the errant husband.

Age matters because people have expectations of us - or we of ourselves - when we approach and pass certain 'milestones' - rites of passage, cicumcision, Confirmation (Catholics), Bar Mitzvah (Jewish), the age we can adopt, smoke, drink, get a driving licence, get married, get a mortgage, sign certain papers, have sex or sex partners without risking prison, retire..

Age matters because we will allow, forgive, accept or abhor some behaviours only before or after certain milestones.

And age matters because of what it does to our faculties, our life style, our opportunities, our courage and convictions, whether we still have a place on the corporate ladder or whether we are seen to be, and maybe feel, that we are already over the hill.

Age matters because we assess, avaluate and judge people's external features and innate qualities in relation to age - and to how old they look.

Is age the only thing we judge people by? Of course not, except when people are very young, relatively young or very old. Or if you are the kind of shallow, insecure or ignorant person who does judge according to superficialities - and all of are capable of that, aren't we? (except those who'll tell us they're not)

Age matters when we think we should have done more or better by now - or when we lack the courage or inner resources to make a new start or unmake some old habits.

Age matters because we are inevitably influenced by it; we respect or revere the wisdom of the elders, expect the young to know their place (seen and not heard).
Age matters because we will seek out someone much younger (than us) or avoid anyone even slightly older for fear of what our peers might say.

Age matters because so many children are beaten, banished, buggered - and worse by adults who remain forever sadistic violaters of the depenendent and vulnerable.

Age matters because young men and women, old enough to be conscripted are afraid of rejection of ridicule.

And it matters because, as we get older, assuming we have not been obliterated by the decisions of venerable generals, the line of burnt out candles of our yesterdays grows ever longer, and the line of unlit candles of our tommorrows get ever shorter.

So, dear Daniel, carpe diem - sieze the day - grab the moment, be here now, live life to the full - your past is not your potential - NOW is the only time there is.

Narrow your horizons to the confines of your low self-esteem, and you risk closing doors of opportunity. Connect and communicate with wonderful people of any age and to create friendships that, for many reasons, can last through all the seasons of a long life.

Grow up / grow down and go well!

A renowned scientist, let's say Albert Einstein, met a much loved movie star, let's say Marylin Monroe, at some event or other.

MM said the Alb, "Think how wonderful it would be if we had children; my looks and your brains!"

"Yes, my dear," replied the patronising old Laureate, "but imagine if they had my looks and your brains!"

Which reminds of a story about Diana Dors, a 50s starlet - blonde bomshell! - who became a much loved character actor (tho it would have been actress in those days!) - she was Violet Elizabeth Bott's mother in the 'Just William' tv series - excellent role..

Anyway, so the story goes, she arrived on set one day and a camera-man decided to grab the day (perhaps he was a speed seductionist who was ahead of his time), and said, "I'd really like to fuck you!"

The Divine Miss D took a step back, looked him up and down in a desultory, rather disdainful way, and said, "Well, if you do and i find out about it, there's going to be big trouble!"

9Steps wrote:

Its a deep need isn't it? To have the last word. To somehow persuade them 'out there' that you 'in here' are smarter, more powerful and have got more notches.

This from the guy who makes four posts in a row that have nothing to do with the subject of the thread, but are all about one-upping another poster?

Maybe it's just my sense of humour, but I find that fucking hysterical