Until the age of 12, I grew up as a Catholic, with regular church brainwashing. From elementary school, until I graduated from high school, it was all Catholic schooling, with plenty of focus on religion class and school masses.

I wonder -- what sort of behavioral triggers could they have conditioned me with?

I am quite convinced that the religion uses hypnosis on its subjects.

I think the mass is full of anchors. Words, bells, smells, positions in the church of the priest (altar, pulpit etc) , postures (standing kneeling sitting).

You go every week from a baby and it ends up pretty deep in you. The whole mass is almost like a trance. People get very upset if a single phrase is changed. I remember the move from Latin into English, people were not happy. It is almost as though people are addicted to the drug of familiar repetition.

I stopped being a catholic many years ago but those anchors are still there if I go to a catholic service for a funeral or a wedding.

But, can these anchors affect one years after they leave the religion? For example, could their beliefs about living a modest lifestyle, affect my ability to be wealthy?

I have this subconscious problem where I will start a task that has income potential, but after 95% of being complete, I can no longer finish the task or stick with it. At a certain point, all the energy gets drained from my body, and I cannot keep going. I just have to dump it and walk away from it.

I'm a web designer, and it's been going on for years. So many unfinished projects. My financial situation is pretty bad.

I think this has to be subconscious. There is a pattern that is repeating itself. And I worry that Catholics could have put it in my head.

I think it could be simpler than that.

Here are a few possibilities to try on

1. You are motivated by finishing the project, but the closer you get to the end, the less motivation you have. You are no longer being pulled forward.

2. You like doing all the creative big picture stuff but you aren't that interested in the tidy up details.

3. You are worried about getting more work so you stretch out what you have to keep something going.

If any of these do fit then a little work around your motivation will help a lot, I have run an electronic design business for over 20 years and your situation describes the way I used to operate almost perfectly. I don't think it had anything to do with the Catholics, it may have been but it doesn't really matter where the patterns came from. If they don't serve you then it may be time to get some new ones.

Euklid wrote:

Until the age of 12, I grew up as a Catholic, with regular church brainwashing. From elementary school, until I graduated from high school, it was all Catholic schooling, with plenty of focus on religion class and school masses.

I wonder -- what sort of behavioral triggers could they have conditioned me with?

I am quite convinced that the religion uses hypnosis on its subjects.

I Agree!

Catholic school at age 12 is a very precarious predicament, and I don't know what it is that you're talking about! It is a set up, there was nothing to be had and I Swear?

So I suppose certainly for sure that I wasn't doing my Rosary fast and more often enough at that early age? It was only a mini- and not a mega nor nuclear reactor on my response to a major holocaust!?

Who in their right mind, one would say, do you think would come to consider expelling someone at such a minor age, not 'cuz of charm and brain or grade, but of inconvenience and surrepteriously unmeritoriously marched out?!?

It was just a small misunderstanding mistake. I Promise I was being Good!?!?

Euklid, Why in the world now do you now have to bring this Up!?!

southnick wrote:

1. You are motivated by finishing the project, but the closer you get to the end, the less motivation you have. You are no longer being pulled forward.

2. You like doing all the creative big picture stuff but you aren't that interested in the tidy up details.

If they don't serve you then it may be time to get some new ones.

I can relate most with those two.

When it happens, no certain thoughts involved, besides "I don't want to do
it", or "I don't want to do it right now", "I don't feel the passion anymore".
Along those lines. It's a feeling, state of being, and my head goes blank.
Like a phobia - not very rational.

What helped in your case?

Euklid wrote:

Until the age of 12, I grew up as a Catholic, with regular church brainwashing. From elementary school, until I graduated from high school, it was all Catholic schooling, with plenty of focus on religion class and school masses.

I wonder -- what sort of behavioral triggers could they have conditioned me with?

I am quite convinced that the religion uses hypnosis on its subjects.

I had a discussion on this very subject with some colleagues yesterday and we all came to the conclusion that Catholisism being one of the three Abramic religions was excellent at teaching it's devotees.......GUILT!

What other excellence else is there as aside from guilt as a way of life?

You know, sometimes feeling guilty is an important sign (to yourself) that you have stepped off your true path. In other words, you are no longer being true to who you really are.

The solution is simple... get back on the path and leave the guilt where you found it.

Venus

venus_brown wrote:

You know, sometimes feeling guilty is an important sign (to yourself) that you have stepped off your true path. In other words, you are no longer being true to who you really are.

Nope, wrong.

Yes, negative emotion is an indicator you are out of alignment with your belief system.

Guilt is feeling bad because you think you are not living up to the expectations of ANOTHER. Meaning - you're leaning off the path they wrote for you. I would think a path written by another person may be their TRUE PATH, but it is not yours.

Whenever you feel GUILT, it is an indicator that you are being guided externally rather than intrinsically.

I disagree.

Venus

venus_brown wrote:

I disagree.

Venus

LOL

I wonder why?

John

I don't know whether faith can move mountains but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers

z8000783 wrote:

I don't know whether faith can move mountains but I've seen what it can do to skyscrapers

That took a minute to make sense. Cold one

Although, statistics say there is a 50/50 chance it was an inside job and religion was not to blame. I wouldn't use that case absolutely.

Euklid wrote:

I can relate most with those two.

When it happens, no certain thoughts involved, besides "I don't want to do
it", or "I don't want to do it right now", "I don't feel the passion anymore".
Along those lines. It's a feeling, state of being, and my head goes blank.
Like a phobia - not very rational.

What helped in your case?

From my experience and your description I would suggest doing some work to determine your "recipe" for procrastination, in the same way that you would if working on a phobia. Do it with someone else if you can as you will get a more detailed recipe that way.

Once you have the recipe, the way forward may be clear already but here are some things to consider.

1. Change belief work e.g. museum of old beliefs.
2. Visualise the end of each job from second position. Work on the sub modalities of that visualisation.
3. Pay someone else to do the 5% that you don't like doing or put off. This one works well for me.
4. Decide that you will work totally focused on a job but only for 30 minutes. However much you are enjoying the job you must stop after 30 minutes, write down the next task and take a short break. You must not exceed 30 minutes.

Nick

Euklid wrote:

I am quite convinced that the religion uses hypnosis on its subjects.

Hypnosis wasn't invented, it was discovered. Rituals are hypnotic; so are television and films and good books and engaging conversations and listening to music or birds singing. Hypnosis is quite an everyday (dozens or hundreds of times a day) thing. So yes, you were in a trance in church. Now you're in a different one.

Euklid wrote:

I wonder -- what sort of behavioral triggers could they have conditioned me with?

My, that sounds sinister.

The way I see it, your parents installed quite a few behavioral triggers in you, then turned you over to church and school, who installed some more, and somewhere along the line you were exposed to friends, advertising, politics, films, books, jobs, and train schedules. Your "conditioning" just never ends. But...if you find yourself feeling some way you don't like about any of it (like a strange desire to buy a particular brand of deodorant or household cleaning product), perhaps it's time to ask yourself: "How would I rather feel about that?"

Just a thought...

Hi Bridget et al,

With all due respect I would suggest that hypnosis was not so much discovered as forgotten and remembered.

Suggestive communication has always been around from cave paintings onwards.

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"So yes,you were in a trance in church. Now you're in a different one."

Trance or church ?

MH

malcombhead wrote:

...With all due respect I would suggest that hypnosis was not so much discovered as forgotten and remembered.

That's what I was attempting to say, apparently not well. If it's a natural state, then it's always been there, like waking and sleep. I totally agree.

malcombhead wrote:

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"So yes,you were in a trance in church. Now you're in a different one."

Trance or church ?...

You've engaged my editor side, Malcolm. You won't like me when I'm an editor . "in church" is a phrase modifying "were" by making it clear where the action took place. Now if I'd said "in a church".... But then he might be in a different church too, for all I know.

Hi Bridget,

I kinda like you anyway, editor or provocateur.

I am not sure that the two distinctions are mutually exclusive anyway, at least in my mind

MH

southnick wrote:

1. Change belief work e.g. museum of old beliefs.
2. Visualise the end of each job from second position. Work on the sub modalities of that visualisation.
3. Pay someone else to do the 5% that you don't like doing or put off. This one works well for me.
4. Decide that you will work totally focused on a job but only for 30 minutes. However much you are enjoying the job you must stop after 30 minutes, write down the next task and take a short break. You must not exceed 30 minutes.

Thanks Nick. Some good suggestions. Especially like 4, it resonates well with me.

BMcKenna wrote:

My, that sounds sinister.

The way I see it, your parents installed quite a few behavioral triggers in you, then turned you over to church and school, who installed some more, and somewhere along the line you were exposed to friends, advertising, politics, films, books, jobs, and train schedules. Your "conditioning" just never ends.

But...if you find yourself feeling some way you don't like about any of it (like a strange desire to buy a particular brand of deodorant or household cleaning product), perhaps it's time to ask yourself: "How would I rather feel about that?"

Just a thought...

Makes sense. Thanks for the feedback.

[quote=Euklid;87428]Thanks Nick. Some good suggestions. Especially like 4, it resonates well with me.

If you really want to make progress then try the advanced version. You don't allow yourself to do any more work of the project for a whole day. Your whole body may be screaming at this point to get on with things but don't give in.

Decide on a time period, perhaps an hour would be right for you in this case. Focus totally on the job for that hour. At the end of the hour you have 2 minutes to note down the next tasks. Now stop.
You are not allowed to do any more work on this until tomorrow. You are absolutely forbidden to do it. Go and do something else.


Please do try the recipe idea combined with visualisation and belief work. It will make some great changes for you, not only on this issue but you may well notice changes in other parts of your life. It shouldn't take longer than an hour or so and you have a whole day left before you can do more work on the project.