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Hi All,
since discovering NLP I've become interested in the spiritual side of the mind and many things that I never had time for as a scientist.

I'm currently interested in Reiki from an NLP modelling perspective.

From what I've read it involves two people in rapport and uses various breathing and meditiation techniques as well as symbols to which initiates become attuned to via initiation ceremonies.

Does anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

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Hi Richard,

Ahhh Haaa, I have discovered nlp connections ... love it, noticed your post from a while back and thought i'd share some stuff.

Firstly, Good for you for exploring some other aspects of yourself ... it is quite an adventure that you are opening the door to ... good for you. I hope its an adventure that you relish.

I've been teaching Reiki & Seichem amongst other change arts around the world for some years now, quite a change from running an investment house!

My experience with any therapeutic change work or 'healing' that gets remarkable results is to hold the solution to the persons issue that you are working with in your mind and trust that it works ... thats all healing is really, as long as you choose to believe that! :-) I have probably done thousands of different treatments now and i noticed at first it was all a bit weird and different to anything i'd ever experienced before .... this doubting thomas would then reflect back at me in the form of results not sticking ... after some learnings on a personal level, i wondered what would happen if I chose believe that they had phenomenal results and the difference was, naturally phenomenal. Seems obvious really, but being less than brilliant can sometimes seem to help people to be brilliant :-)

Sometimes you hear stories of 'I' did a healing on so & so or people taking on clients symptoms .... this tends to be a wee flag on the radar that the ego is involved as your client at whatever level they are working on are responsible for their own change and all you are doing is sending postcards with requests for the person and trust that they arrive and work for their highest good. Although it is fair to say that you are responsible for writing a bloomin good postcard

With regard meditation and breathing exercises and an initiation ceremony, well yes i meditate, yes i breathe, and yes there is a technique that a teacher can use to 'initiate' somebody, its a bit like being 'initiated' into nlp or anything else really in that your awareness is expanded, my own personal experience was that this was quite a dramatic shift .... it can be done in a style that has rapport with the person seeking the heightened awareness and sense of self ... of course it could also be a really elaborate way to get the UM mind to believe it has a gift to empower others to heal themselves but we all have that anyway.

You also asked if it involves 2 people in rapport ... well as you might have already experienced, rapport is a basic concept of nlp but seems to supercharge everything that we do and help get results ... you would then need to consider that you can use reiki from a distance without them being there, on situations, past, present, future events, emotion, stress ... infact anything that you can imagine or cant imagine yet ( Yeah, even that ) ... so how does rapport work at these levels? might be a useful question to swirl around your head ... is it rapport with your own unconscious mind, with theirs or something else ... ?

I hope that this has gone someway to answering your questions Richard and all of the above is only from my own personal experience so this may or may not be true for others and their mow.

With regard modelling, then if you approached what you do with the confidence of having already done it thousands of times and as somebody who consistently does their best for each person that they work with, gets great results for yourself and others and learn something when you cock up ... that would probably point you in a decent direction.

Enjoy, MaKi

Hi Ian,

thanks for posting a wonderful & comprehensive reply to my request.
I've been doing reiki for a while now and looking forward to taking it further very soon.

So what brings you yo NLP connections then?

Thats an easy one ... a love of nlp, life, learning and sharing.

Hello all!

I enjoyed Ian MacKendrick's contribution enormously and am intrigued by the idea of Reiki being examined from a modelling perspective. A hard-line Reiki-ite would probably argue that one does have to go through an 'initiation' for the various levels and, indeed, the symbols given in levels II and III are incredibly powerful tools, all of which might provide some challenges for the modelling process. Some Reiki healers add even to those symbols (the "Raku", for instance).

To balance this, there are no initiations or symbols used in spiritual healing, which is taught at many fine establishments (at my spiritual alma mater, the College of Psychic Studies, for one example among many). I use Reiki because it just happens to be the energy stream that I appear to be most in harmony with.

Ian (if I may), you quite rightly bring up the idea of distance Reiki and other uses. I use distance Reiki regularly and have had success treating people in Finland (while I was here in London) and in London (when I was near Durban, South Africa). I guess when we look for explanations at that point we need to invoke quantum physics - as a starting point!; and then there is the question of past-life trauma healing and, indeed, future event healing. Again, science should have no problem with that given the knowledge it has of the nature of time itself - as long as science acknowldges that Reiki exists and works (and there lies another challenge).

And your reminder that the ego should definitely NOT get in the way is a salutary one. I always feel humbled (and energised!) at the end of a session.

All the best.

Colin

interesting. well, i guess that you have read books like the field, the intention experiment and the holographic universe. it will be great when there is a unified explanation of hypnosis and reiki. I can't help thinking that reiki is a non-verbal form of hypnotic trance with a very subtle feedback loop!

Yes.... whenever I have been to NLP trainings I have always managed to meet Reiki practitioners of different levels and each time I have asked them politely if they want to know how they do Reiki (I mean get into the healing state).

I have been lucky to now have modelled over 50 Reiki practitioners over the years and I have used these experiences when I teach Reiki.

During my teachings we do a number of meditations that are actually the most effective reiki practitioners strategies that I have modelled for getting into the Reiki/Healing State and I have noticed that all of my students have had very profound attunements and respond well to giving Reiki healings.

...and I wonder if Reiki practitioners see hypnosis as a form of energy work involving words...

I like the idea of reiki as non-verbal form of hypnotic trance but at the same time can't help thinking this undersells reiki and only deals with one part of the many aspects of a Reiki healing . Certainly that may well be part of the process, but how does that, for example, fit in with the amplificatory nature of the symbols?

Colin

Hi In the interests of research, I'd be fascinated to "see" these meditations - and, indeed, 'experiment' with them. Do you have them written down?.

Best,

Colin

Hi

Reiki is a energy base healing form, and works by (A) process of intent, and as intent is based in consciousness, if you have the intent to infuse your hypnotic suggestions with Reiki energy- then Reiki will flow where your intent- (attention of focus) is placed.

Reiki and the symbols- will work in anyway your awareness and flexibility in consciousness will allow thats the nature of energy.

J

PM me an email address and I will send you the meditations that I use

True.....

Taoism teaches that energy follows intent and this is the basis I work on when giving Reiki and teaching Reiki and I find that having the knowledge of NLP and knowing how to elicit strategies have enhanced my ability greatly I now have a number of ways to get into the Reiki healing state.

Ha the Reiki healing state- here's me thinking I was a part of the universe and was just being Reiki in everything I do, Now I have to get in to a state Oh boy I am so unevolved lol

J

Don't you feel different when giving healing as opposed to normal day to day interactions?

Maybe this is just my way of differentiating giving Reiki from other things? I don't know?

I suppose that you can take the Man out of the NLP but cannot take the NLP out of the man..... Too much hypnosis and NLP training changing me into an anorack...... everything blurring and getting dim....... cannot think straight........ need coffee!!

Hi

I do feel very different when I am am doing Reiki, and when I drop my ego out of the way, then the energy I am connected to it the raw universal energy- which flows, in a very suitable way, (for me) getting the ego out of the way is key, so stepping into a void like place- where everything on the inside is still, works best for me.

Just being an open gate for the energy to flow, and allowing the energy to go where it is needed, is my only job in using Reiki.


Just for today

J

Dear Richard and all,

I have read this thread with great personal interest so far. I should say that I am not a Reiki practitioner and would not class myself as a spiritual healer in the classic sense.

However, some years ago I undertook a modeling project for an NLP course, focusing on a Spiritualist Healer of some national repute I had happened to come across, and who does amazing readings through clairvoyance, clairaudience and clairsentinence.

To cut a long story as short as possible, the project extended to include other self proclaimed healer types, as there is usually a fair crop on NLP trainings, including Reiki, physical and hypnosis and counselling practitioners. What emerged was a list of beliefs as long as your arm. While the practises were outwardly pretty diverse, three essential common themes emerged, also highlighted in this thread and put forward with more skill and description than I can manage right now. These were prerequisites to promoting comfort and ease, both physically and psychologically, depending on the nature of the client's distress, namely,

Attention - placed on the other person, noticing what was happening. Sensory acuity if you like.

Intention - Conciously held by the practitioner to do some good, and,

Tension - i.e. some somatic unease or psychological dissonance, or "something" to treat or make better. An outcome frame in NLP speak.

She too taught about connecting with universal energies, though her frame was to say that if you felt tired after healing you were doing it wrong, as then you would be drawing from individual rather than universal resources. She also taught "absent" or distance healing, and her results spoke for themselves. Some but not all of the practitioners studied also had a discrete or private identity - a sense of self if you like that allowed for such odd results to be matter of fact, anticipated or expected and unconciously within the capabilities or remit of the practitioner.

As an interested student in these matters, I look forward to future posts. Thanks for this interesting thread and other folk's contributions so far.

Regards

MH

Fantastic stuff Guys and Thanks to all for your wonderful responses.

When it comes to beliefs and language here I can accept that any point of view is as good as another although I still like the idea of a non-verbal hypnotic induction - even with closed eyes and no words rapport is possible through matching breathing and heaven knows what else.

The most interesting questions for me are:

are attunements necessary or is this just creating an empowering belief?

how does remote healing work?

Any ideas?

Richard.

Richard if you had asked me before I had my first attunement I would have said no this is a load of s**t the attunement is all made up to make nothing into something, however having experienced attunements and the effect it had not only on me personally but also how the effect rippled out into my life I would now say, there is more to this Reiki stuff and the attunement is much much more than installing an empowering belief.

I have no real idea how this works other than my personal belief that energy follows intent and when we are talking about a universal energy like Ki, Chi, Prana or what ever you want to call it all a distant healer does is create a resonance in this energy field which is all around us and it goes where the intent is a bit like throwing a stone in an still pond and creating ripples that expand outwards.

Actually I am reading Phil Farber's book at the moment so maybe we are creating a memetic entity with the task of healing which goes and does this task. We may all be adding to the greater entity that is called Reiki as well.

Phil writes on this forum and would be able to give a better answer than this..... Let's hope he sees this thread and replies.