You guys might be interested in Susanna Bellini, who was Richard Bandler's apprentice for a while and who teaches reiki with an NLP pespective.

new_nlp_practitioner wrote:

Hi All,
since discovering NLP I've become interested in the spiritual side of the mind and many things that I never had time for as a scientist.

I'm currently interested in Reiki from an NLP modelling perspective.

From what I've read it involves two people in rapport and uses various breathing and meditiation techniques as well as symbols to which initiates become attuned to via initiation ceremonies.

Does anyone have any experiences that they would like to share?

Thanks for this thread Richard.

I too was thinking about finding out about Reiki as when I was on a Ron Perry taster evening doing practice with each other the person that was working with me thought I was a Reiki specialist (which he was) and I thought that's interesting that he thought that. He then asked if I had trained with RB and I said yes and he said ah that explains it. So I thought I must go and find out.

Think this reiki side of things helps with mindfulness and keeping a real awareness of what is going on in someone's life. I have taken Reiki one and Reiki two but only see it as a way of helping oneself as it was originally intended. I have not really found any use in my NLP classes I have attended but one person at least is Reiki tuned and it may be helpful as a tool if used correctedly as already mentioned as being in rapport and pacing someone. I am opened minded at the last so good luck
Peter

You guys might be interested in Susanna Bellini, who was Richard Bandler's apprentice for a while and who teaches reiki with an NLP pespective.

Absolutely Chris! Susanna is based in York and I've done my Reiki and NLP training with her and Phil. She's also into the shamanic side of things.

Dear Richard,

You asked,

"how does remote healing work?

Any ideas? "

I am not about to seek to be definitive, but have you heard of the work of Cambridge educated Dr Rupert Sheldrake ? He is a biologist who has studied the learning and proliferation of new behaviours in species that live in separate communities. He proposes the existence of "morphogenetic resonance" to explain why and how when one animal learns a new behaviour, the new observed behaviour is seen in similar animal groups separated by geography and also carried into future generations.

He suggests a collective memory in the organisation of cellular activity and behaviour in terms of fields whereby groups of animals can learn from eachother and their antecedents without the need to observe, copy or mimic new behaviours directly. His theory is clearly distinct from what we would recognise as modelling in the NLP sense.

Within his model, telepathy is normal, rather than paranormal, especially between individuals who know eachother well, and who may be separated by standard conceptions of time and space. He talks in terms of organisational habits rather than laws.

His model extends from sentinent life forms to cellular ones, and even crystals or chemicals. When a new compound is first synthesised melting/vapourization points are variable, before becoming recognisably standard to the point where they are scientifically reproducible, through a process of morphic resonance or field energy.

He seeks to explain how it is that dogs know when their owners are on their way home for example.

To come back to the point about "remote" or "absent" healing, if we all exist within a field of consciousness not necessarily bound to the confines of the physical body, all these combinations of waves or energies become more understandable in terms of Sheldrake's hypothesis, as our influence is, if not infinite, then at least extensive. By taking some control over our own resonance through meditation or hypnosis, perhaps it is natural that we reach out to others on the same wavelength through the intention and vibration ?

I bring this to the thread not to steer it away from Reiki, as I want to learn more about that, but to highlight a well respected scientist working to explain the apparently unexplainable relationship between similar entities separated by distance and perhaps also time.

He has published many books and articles. Google him to find out more. I would be interested to hear what you think.

Regards

MH

There may still be a radio 4 podcast about Sheldrake's work.

Hi Carol,

It is still available. I just need now to work out how to open a .ram file

MH

Thanks Malcolm that's very interesting and I will look up his work.

It seems to tie in with the likes The Holographic Universe and books by Lynn MacTaggert which conjecture a link between consciousness and quantum mechanics which can also be found in some NLP Master Practitioner Trainings I believe.

The radio programme was pretty light about morphic resonance but interesting all the less.


This audio discusses dogs knowing their owners distant movements and more

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD6nBmFZNhs&feature=PlayList&p=8D6C61B4F0F 0598A&index=0]YouTube - Medicine & the Supernatural Pt.1[/ame]

Rupert Sheldrake has a couple of books out. Seven Experiments That Could Change the World, Fourth Estate, London, England, 1994, and The Sense of Being Stared At, and Other Aspects of the Extended Mind, Arrow Books/ Random House, London, England, 2003.

You will also find an extensive discussion of absent healing and healing at a distance in chapter 10 of The Field by Lynne McTaggart, also 2003. She particularly mentions the work of Elizabeth Targ, an orthodox psychiatrist and trained researcher, and also that of Dr Bernard Grad, who investigated what kind of "energy" healers put out.

According to McTaggart, Elizabeth Targ was surprised to find at least 150 studies had been done on healing trials with human subjects - using prayer, touch, absent healing, secular methods, etc.

Perhaps the most notable of these was the work of Randolph Byrd, who did a fully-randomized double-blind trial in 1988 of the effect on patients in a coronary-care ward of being prayed for over a period of 10 months. Four hundred patients were divided into two groups - with the two groups balanced for condition and ordinary prognosis, but only one group getting the "prayed for".

The "prayed-for" group had "significantly less severe symptoms, required less ventilator assistance, fewer antibiotics and diuretics than those who had not been prayed for".

Another properly-scientific researcher, Elmer Green, showed that experienced healers have abnormally-high electric-field patterns around them during healing - sometimes involving surges of 60 volts during healing sessions.

If you accept the idea of consciousness as being holographic-like - that is, "it" is everywhere, and a fragment "here" contains a representation of all of "it", and that the whole informs this part "here", this part right in your locality, then such an idea is not that new or different or weird.

You already think like that anyway. If you have a radio in your house, then waves and electro-magnetic energy - and the info it contains - is being beamed at you/ at your radio all the time - and these days, at every point right across the wavelength spectrum.

It's only because (1) you tune the radio into a given frequency at any one time, and (2) the radio decodes the EME, that you get the thing called "listening to the radio".

But the energy, the EME, is there - whether you tune in to it, or not.

What's the difference, conceptually, if we say: "people put out some kind of energy" too?

And what great conceptual shift is required for us to say: we can detect it (if we can but "tune in" to it)? And that it can have an effect on us (sometimes)?

Eric.

Hi guys. I have been reading this thread with interest, thank you all for the information. As a result I now want to study this further. Can any of you suggest any good trainers in London please?

star360 wrote:

Hi guys. I have been reading this thread with interest, thank you all for the information. As a result I now want to study this further. Can any of you suggest any good trainers in London please?

Yes.... the college that I lecture at has an intro to Reiki which includes Reiki I attunement heres the link:

Reiki - Introduction » MH023511TW » Course » Greenwich Community College

The tutor Maurice is a nice person and a good tutor.

Cheers,

Jason

lynn mctaggart and rupert sheldrake along with bruce lipton are in this film, i haven't seen it yet, looks really good

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne-I7JTXCbo"]YouTube - The Living Matrix Movie Trailer[/ame]

Hi Guys,

Having recently completed a reiki 2 course and attended an nlp practice group meeting on sensory accuity I started thinking about this again.

It seems to me that if we can pace and lead someone by smiling and make them feel happy by releasing endorphins in their mind and body and the concept can be generalised to like/dislike, understanding/confusion then it is a small step for healing mind or body to work by using exactly the same mechanism.

what do you think?

aikijason wrote:

PM me an email address and I will send you the meditations that I use

Hi thanks for this and apologies for my slow response. Yes, please email to

parsifalangel@hotmail.co.uk

Thanks so much!

Colin

I'm fairly new here and have to say this thread has been fantastic! Thank you all so much for your fascinating insights.

This is something I've been wondering about a lot lately and I'm considering learning Reiki and developing my awareness of energy. I feel that together with what I've learned through NLP and the power of language, energy work will make my client's results even more fantastic and can only be a good thing.

We all know the benefits of Rapport and we all know how to perform this consciously. What we don't all know consciously is what the unconscious is picking up to give us those feelings i.e. the energy field that the unconscious mind is picking up, interpreting and enabling. When you learn how to access the energy field through Reiki and other forms of energy work then that will only add to your skills as an NLP Coach/Therapist and also your own development.

My understanding is that when working with NLP we are providing the unconscious mind with the opportunity to learn new strategies isn't this also the case in energy work?

I'd love to hear your thoughts and recommendations for good books in the field. What's the Phil Farber book that was mentioned like?

Hi Rashelle,

Phil Farber has written "The Book of Atem" (I think that's the one you are referring too) which is a wonderful exploration of Magick from an NLP point of view.

In terms of Reiki I personally am a fan of Tanmaya Honervogt's books which are easy to understand and full of pictures to illustrate the techniques although there are any number of good books out there.

I personally am inclined to the idea that Ki (like God) is a metaphor but hey who knows there may be something more going on!

Richard.

new_nlp_practitioner wrote:

Hi Rashelle,

Phil Farber has written "The Book of Atem" (I think that's the one you are referring too) which is a wonderful exploration of Magick from an NLP point of view.

Meta-Magick: The Book of Atem: Achieving New States of Consciousness Through NLP, Neuroscience and Ritual

Meta-Magick: The Book of Atem by Philip H. Farber - Hawk Ridge Productions - NLP, Ritual and Neuroscience

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(Just for the record )

Thanks Guys,

I'll check it out. I've had a flurry of recommendations and can't wait to check them all out. Will try and pop back and let you know how I get on with it.