Hi Al,
I think ‘getting it’ is not so important as know how. 20 years ago I was shown hitting. Hitting, I got it, simple! This though raised the question where to hit? You hit soft areas differently to hard areas. Which for me raised the question what’s the difference between hitting with fists, palms, fingers, back of hand, what function does each ‘fist’ serve? When to use them? So how do I set up the conditions to hit? And can I hit with any part of my body? So we go back and the question is how do I hit with any part of my body, where, and when?

Ron showed me how to be hit. While practicing joint pulsing on Ron, he asked me to, much to Edie’s dismay. He showed how when I hit his ribs he could make them bounce the force back, very strange! So that raises the question how does one receive a hit. As you can see there’s much more to hitting than meets the eye.

So with MA I’m still learning about hitting and this is 20 years later but maybe I’m a slow learner!

PPT is a little different and a little the same. To me how I’ve been taught each ‘position’ is a ‘pattern’ in MA not a static posture. Each technique with PPT is a pattern, an algorithm, principle.

The question is how many different ways can you apply the principle of each move, where does it work and where doesn’t it work. In Chinese MA there are 4 overlying patterns ,each move can be (da) a hand hitting technique, or (ti) a leg technique or (shuai) grappling/wrestling or (na) joint locking, tendon separating and pressure points. Each move has these principles involved.

Finger magic is a ‘pattern’ not a single technique. The pattern ‘which positions free movement’ works with figures wrists, arms, shoulders, necks, heads, ribs, spine, belly, pelvis, legs, knees and feet, despite being called finger magic. Finger magic also opens the hands to be able to feel for ‘which positions free movement’. The principle is a large one that needs to be filled in by how we practice.

The question really is a matter of know how. I’ve been playing with bodies about as long as MA. The question is what can I actually do.

One gentle man on an intro in Edinburgh who was in a wheel chair, paralysed from below his arms able to move his arms, but ‘couldn’t’ straighten his fingers or flex them. This gentleman was very openly sceptical at first. During an exercise someone did finger magic with him for the first time.

Afterwards he came up to us and said ‘you’ve got a total convert!’. His hands which he had described as ‘plates of meat’ had from 10 minutes work transformed so that he could move his fingers, open and close them, independently and he could feel warmth and tingling in them for the first time in years! And that was just an intro evening. I know the lady who worked with him didn’t ‘get it’ but she knew how to do it!


Ron gives you the tools attitude and principles it up to you to use them and learn from them. Ron has often said how NLP’ers do one course and only mimic or repeat what they are taught. But both Ron and I think NLP is about ‘thinking for ones self’. Know how comes from thinking, experimenting ,noticing, telling differences and practicing.

If you get that it’s the state/attitude you work in that’s important. That is how you touch, how your looking, that posturing is a learned behaviour and consequently can learn differently, that anybody is capable of much better functioning, that forcing things is stupid, that anything is possible all you have to do is find out how to evoke higher functioning. Then the methods principles and techniques follow logically with application.
Armed with the tools and principles to me it’s up to you how you get it. Got it?
PPT is about optimising physical functioning that’s easy to get. Know-how I think is much more important! Because PPT isn’t a thing that you can bring so someone gets it. Its all in the How. Ron and Edie show you how. The rest is up to you

Is that any help? Be Well

Ron showed me how to be hit. While practicing joint pulsing on Ron, he asked me to, much to Edie’s dismay. He showed how when I hit his ribs he could make them bounce the force back, very strange! So that raises the question how does one receive a hit.

I think him and Michael Ryabko would have a fun chat.

Ah Don, thanks for such a wonderful response, PPT continues to absolutely intrigue and captivate, and is pretty much at the top of my "I will be trained in this" list.

I am still not sure *when* that will be, but I'm going to savour it like a fine wine. Be Swell Don,

Al

Don Michael wrote:

As you can see there’s much more to hitting than meets the eye.

Knowing your language skills Don this was know accidental comment.

Keep well

Cheers

Can't help myself thanks all.

Just to mention there's a nice little excerpt of what Richard Bandler has to say about Ron and Edie on PPT front page Patterns of Physical Transformation

Check it out!

A friend of mine had an accident months ago, an artery in his head got cut up so he was bleeding badly before being taken to the hospital and he suffered a quite severe concussion. Ever since, he's had a headache 24/7 and the only think the doctors can recommend is "rest" which just isn't working. His condition hasn't improved since the accident.

Would using the "magic finger touch" or any other aspect of PPT be helpful in such a case where braintissue damage probably is involved?

One of the major points of "finger magic" is that it apparently propagates upward through the nervous system. I'm guessing the rest of PPT has that sort of generalizing property as well, but I'm sure a real expert will be along shortly.

Within limits, other brain tissue will tend to take over the functions of whatever's been compromised by injury. And it wouldn't hurt him to have a friend who's a good hypnotist/NLPer, either...

Hi Damian,
Excuse the delay, I've recently only just got back on line after a move.

Ok with regards to finger magic, the principle is finding angles that give symmetry. So finger magic can be applied to the neck, which plays a great role in headaches. The other principle of resist and go with works well with the neck, something a client can do themselves to improve functioning.
Additionally if you've done a foundation or have been at an intro with Ron, he has shown techniques for the scalp which has again the same principle as finger magic.
Which is to gently calibrate areas on the scalp as to which ways the scalp slides, forward back left and right, obviously working while in a powerfully comfortable state will improve sensitivity as well as responses.
The scalp will slide more easily in some directions than others, applying finger magic principles goes find gently the angles of the head that will help the scalp to slide in all directions equally.
Work with the jaw as well mail or phone me for more detail as some of this is difficult to descibe in writing

These areas of the body( scalp, neck and jaw) work the cranial nerves very well and will encourage functioning throughout, blood flow communication across neurones etc.

If you have skype or google webcam contact me and I can show you.

Hope this helps

Great reply Donovan!

The PRINCIPLES of finger magic are what is really important about that. When we did in Mexico the very first program Ron did worldwide introducing his work, Ron, Edie and me had a conversation around that. It applies to Bandler's work too. People often learn the technique and miss the important thing which is the principles of any technique. The principles are what make it work and what allows you to generalizae the learning into creating new applications and variations.

Great post.

Even better observation Gabe!

Process verses content. Patterns and principles versus technique.

Mastering principles lends to creativity and flexibility I believe.

That's what blew me away with RB and Rons work one technique containing more than one principle and the principles being profound.

Ie. One major pattern with finger magic and I think the most obvious is 'what encourages Symmetry'. Finger magic also contains 'what soften tissues' 'soft magic fingers and hands that conform to shape soften' 'soft magic hands know where symmetry is' 'symmetry promotes high functioning'

So above all to me is calibrating to high functioning cause other principles than symmetry can do the same thing. The texture of skin and tissue is completely different to what most people know when high functioning.
All of which applies to all the body and is knowing the aim, and how you know when your done.

Finger magic teaches what high functioning tissues feels like and moves like and once I knew I too discovered how bodies are more magical than we think.

Excuse me going on I could do a day work shop on just finger magic but I won't.

Thanks for the complement Gabe

Finger magic workshop - great idea Don!
;-)

Hi,
For anyone interested in the magic hands of Dr. Perry he will be available for personal sessions for any physical problem in Edinburgh over the dates 14th-23rd November. If you know of anyone who would benefit or have something yourself please contact Don to arrange an appointment: don@patternsofphysicaltransformation.com

Incidently, an intro/practice group is being run by me in London with limited places with permission from Ron. For details again contact me.

Have fun do good and be cool