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Adding to the coolness of ppt, I have recently worked with someone suffering with Unverrich Lundborg Syndrome. Imagine every muscle in your body constantly twitching - its like a full body epilepsy which only stops when you sleep.

Now you can stop imagining it - but she couldn't. And her neurologist keeps telling her it will only get worse (nice command?).

I did some very basic ppt with her and the tremors stopped. She was able to regain some of her basic functionality which we take for granted, like being able to walk up stairs, hold a glass in one hand. Talk.

It also cleared up her sinuses and the trauma associated with her ex husband.

So very very powerful. Ron and Edie are really nice people too!

If you get the chance go see these guys - you'll be glad you did.

Vince that sounds like a very nice bit of work, I like it!

Thats a big change being able to walk up stairs/hold a glass. Fills people with hope cause now they know 'The body's more capable than it feels' and just maybe the doctors wrong!?

Yup Ron and Edies work blows me away every time I play. People are astonished with the results, aren't they.

Thanks Vince

I did some work, simply from what I was inspired by what Vince wrote above, a guy at work is(was) suffering with an elbow complaint and has done for some months. He said he's going to the doctors on friday.

I thought 'uh-oh' better get to work fast, I gave him a few hints and tips and hey presto both he and his elbow feel great now.)

I attended a taster session on PPT.

Now i'm not totally sold on it (just have'nt experienced it's efficacy fullymyself.) nor do i profess to understnd much about NLP period ( that might be ppart of it) but it could work.

My background is yoga, of 3 years.

But i have begun exploring a mind-body neuromuscular re-education therapy called Hanna Somatics.

Is PPT similar to Hanna Somatics?

I'm noww even bgun to see further similarlities, recently now in yoga therapeutics, employing certain movements. Some convergence can be encouraging and confirm the posssible efficacy of the other.

I was attracted to ppt by the neurological reprogramming angle of ppt but still not usre if i understand i'ts method, theory or technique. Perhpas you can enlighten on this me in a few words.

(That might be a question for ron himself perhaps)

They both seemed to have evolved out of Feldekrais in some way. Feldenkrais was a major influence on both.

Part of he reason iam not sold is i don't full understand the theory or dynamic behind how it works, if there is such.

You can find more info on hanna somatics at somatics.com.

As a sidenote-also the cost of these NLP course also tends to boost my scepticism to nlp. I cannot see how a trainer can justify say , i dunno £1500 , a dozen students and it does'nt last longer than a month. i did the maths for earnings they would need to live on or support themself ( airfare whatever ) while teaching and it did'nt sound right. Should'nt the real healers/teachers not teach from the heart, from a genuine desire to alleviate hhuman suffering, make a difference not from financial gain surely?

Nlp also sounds rather wishy washy but like i say i don't know enough about it.
regards

sam

I haven't attended a course on PPT but I have experienced it from Dr's Ron & Eddie Perry.

First experience I had a frozen shoulder that I had received treatment for from numerous "experts" medical as well as complementary practitioners after a very short time with Dr Ron - it was about 10 mins tops - my shoulder was free.

Second experience I had a problem with my knees that made it very difficult for me to do something very simple like walk up and down stairs, in fact anything that I needed to bend my knees for and once again in a very short time, this problem was solved.

;o)

Sam,

Surely you understand that you must pay a healer back value for value and equal measure for equal measure, don't you?

After all, that only seems fair to me.

Venus

Hey All!
Happy New Year to those of you I haven't been in contact with via Facebook!

I just wanted to share something from this past weekend.

I was teaching a PT certification course in Qc city this past weekend and one participant came up to me in a break to speak about her daughter. (I had spoken about PPT and the wonders of healing we can accomplish)

Apparebtly her daughter had experienced a shoulder fracture and lost all feeling and circulation in her left arm. To the point where her fingers are bluish / black. I taught her the basic PPT 'finger magic'and basic movement activation techniques all the while creating an intense joy state within her and her daughter. She came up to me early this morning to tell me that within minutes of the first treatment her daughter experienced tingling sensation in her fingers!

Since taking the course last June I have helped countless clients and contacts eliminate pain. It has been an amazing privilege.

PPT Rocks! And the best part is that I have only scratched the surface with these techniques! I can't wait to return to the UK in June to do Level 1!

I am still working on integrating Dr. Ron's & Edie's techniques into my Industry.

Be well,
Isabelle

I think i did do one calculation with one teacher who did have an assitant ( or two) and his earnings, teachings given over about 3 weekends, came to about £350,000. Partly cause he had agreat number of students , say 200-300 which he maybe did'nt anticipate.
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Perhpas it is the currency used to measure their worth, i.e money, that is wrong.


I don't mean to dish NLP but the casual costs i hear of their courses seem dear,and make me question partly at least the motivations of the folk running them.Some of the teachers sound like they could be millionaires through running their courses/workshops.


An elightened healer would give excess money back to those that could profit from it.

Just question how teachers justify the costs of their course, oncen expenses are considered for them to host the ocurse , live on and earnings(??).

Their currency should be the joy it ( healing others)brings to them, not money.

There's an awful lot of presupposition in your thinking. Like, healers 'should' be 'enlightened', itself presupposing an Eastern worldview, and an old one at that. What if we're all enlightened...some of the time?

What if a contemporary healer needs to deal with the world s/he inhabits now, and not the ghost of one that hasn't existed for centuries, if it ever existed at all?

What if that healer needed to promote their work with marketing and advertising, using 21st century methods rather than assuming karma will draw the punters in?

And what of their other expenses, such as venue hire and accommodation and transport if they take their services on the road?

And what if they want time to develop their understanding and skills further, and that needs time between paid engagements to coalesce...time during which they still have bills to pay, a life to lead?

Hi Sam,
Please understand that I mean no disrespect by my reply.

It seems to me that you are imposing *your* definition and actions *you* would expect of an enlightened person on these Teachers.

A+B does not always equal AB. Sometimes there are alphabets that we aren't even aware of.

I am sure that you have heard of the saying 'Give the man a fish and you feed him for a day....Teach the man to fish and you feed him for life.'

How does one put a price to an increase in their quality of life?
Or judge enlightenment by the size of a wallet?
Is money not only another form of energy?
So if one shares their (energy= teachings= healing ways) shall they not have any in return?

To place a judgment on others and their 'energy', whether material or spiritual, and impose specific actions to them,is an enlightened practice?

Be well,
Isabelle

I've always found Ron and Edie to be far more interested in helping people than making money. When they came to London in 2007, they did a free evening event for NLP Connections and they taught a full three hours without charging anyone anything. Not only did they work personally with everyone in the room to heal their aches and pains, they also taught us three of their techniques - including the finger magic technique that Isabelle mentioned above, which is a technique you can use very easily to achieve incredible results in a wide range of situations. They were very happy to share their ideas for free because they were in town anyway. Another time when Ron was in Edinburgh and I asked him to do another evening event in London, that time we just charged people enough to cover his flights down to London and back to Edinburgh. Again, it wasn't about making a profit but obviously we didn't want him to be out of pocket. I think that event was £10 or something like that.

Longer events are a bit different. It takes a lot of time and upfront investment to put on events - especially when the trainers are flying in from 4,000 miles away - and so the prices reflect that. If you bump into Ron at an airport and get talking to him, he'll probably teach you for free because he's not doing much else and he likes helping people. If he has to pay someone to put adverts all about the place, handle the bookings, hire a room, bring in a pa system and a set of massage tables, and all that - and if he has to fly 4,000 miles and stay in hotels, and pay for work permits and all that - then, yeah, it all adds up, and either his students have to be willing to cover those expenses - with something on top for him to live on - or realistically he can't teach in other countries.

When you talk about how enlightened people are, when you've never met them, you probably don't know how much Ron and Edie already give. They assist unpaid on so many different events around the world and usually have queues of people who they help. It's not like Tina is a one off. Anyone who's been around those events can tell you many stories of times when people have been in pain for years and a few minutes later Ron and Edie have melted the pain away. They don't pass out their business cards, they don't say "mention this to your friends", they just like doing it. It's their thing. Theirs is a light that shines bright - and they deserve some respect.

In the West, there is a tendency to be suspicious of what isn't scientifically explained and validated. I can understand the pros of that, but also the cons.

I don't know 'why' PPT works, but on the Advanced Master Prac in 2008, where Ron taught, I was relieved of a long term shoulder pain. I didn't just imagine that it had gone away. It had gone away. And it wasn't even Ron that facilitated that particular change. It was my fellow learner, Tony Rollings, as part of one of our first PPT learning exercises.

Doing further PPT is on my time line, though my focus to this date has been NLP itself (with bits of PPT, DHE, NHR as they've come up), to learn it really well, to be able to do really good stuff with it. I'm pleased with the PPT I did learn at the Advanced Master Prac training and will deffo do further PPT in time.

Cheers

Suppose the bottom line is one cannot put a value on good health- it is priceless. It should'nt really matter therefore how much something costs.As long as it works.

Your acomments are all fair .

Though my comment regarding cost was not directed at ron & eadie and their PPT course(even with the 300 reductiion and the steak knives thrown in- his joke, not mine!), but based on one calculation of an nlp course where student enrolee number really did spiral i believe ,and the average expense of nlp courses from what i can discern.

How much is one's health?

Well it's not a tenner. But it could be possible to get it for that.

I'll try out that finger magic again.
Brain Balancing | Patterns of Physical Transformation

Sounds like Somatics.This is a term i am familiar with. Biofeedback training.

I'll keep an open mind.I was wishing for a bigger experience, and maybe even more mention of method and princiiples,as well as the theory, which is adequately described, more or less.

For example extrapolating from fingers to limbs, i was'nt then too sure- could you benefit from an assitant- if so perhaps this is a akin to 'pandiculation' from hanna somatics.( I understand that a proportionately large part of the sensory cortex is devoted to the fingers relative to body area hence why he might initiae at the fingers, likwise the face also, hence why he might first initiate neural or sensory-motor reprogramming there )
Also there was some emphasis on surafce skin senation rather than internal physiological processes.


ron had a crowd gathering around him after the taster, so i did'nt bother ppicking his brain or requesing a demonstration.

The whole nlp flied i just don't know enough about or claim to have a good handle on.I've heard buzz-word-anchors, states and i believes it likes ,or may even be inspired by, hypnosis.

I've got an open mind though otherwise i would'nt have turned up to taster- it was the similarities to hanna somatics , including a shared origin evolving out of feldenkrais, that got me curious.

The proof is in the eating.....

I do apologise if i appeard to dish nlp or ppt. I just have'nt had an indelible experience.......yet, like i have with yoga initially and then subsequently hanna somatics which i would'nt have tried had i not discovered yoga; they have set a kind of gold and silver-standard for me,in experiential terms and self-transformation.bear in mind i've only beencurious about this- nlp and ppt, for a few months( and i would never have looked into this had i not had an interest in the mind-body field i like to say, assuming nlp falls into that bracket) and i would'nt want to discourage other folk here seeking out whatever they wish or have anegative effect on others. i am uneasy with the streak of scepticisim in my post having a negative or discouraging effect on others.( i just remeber a post i read here relating to healthy scepticism,why scepticism was healthy, and costs of nlp courses)

for me the truth is that money and healing just don't sit too comfortably; i mean a doctor and anyone alse will do alot of things if you pay them enough. and the motivation should be to heal the sick, not mmake money. but i realise i am probably posting on the wrong thread , i'm just reiterating my gut feelings.like if i was a genuiine hgealer, this is what ii would do and precisely why.and this feeling is in no way directed to the nlp course( or the organisers involved) that this thread refers to. if you read my initial post- as a side-note-- can one lend justification to the cost of a course? but you are right, on some level it does'nt or should'nt really matter.but the fact is it does. i'd rather not compromise here too mcuh at the risk of offending people. as it is not a complicated point i make.I make two points in an inapporariate thread- i question how PPT works, though i'm more curious about feedback, how it works etc. and add a little scepticism bwhen i qeustion how the justification for the cost of some nl courses i've lookeed at. so then it looks like i mightbe suggesting ron and eadie are over-priced. misunderstanding. the cost things is a generalisation.

if i see green, then i'll say so and would rather not say i see red. yes maybe i'm mistaken or have missed out. quite probably.as i say i don't have a fixed view on it.... just impressions.

much respec to ron & eadie for their great work and of course everyone here.

I'm happy to learn more, like i say, as i've only been looking at nlp( which ican;'t say i fully comprhend) & ppt for few motnhs after seeing parallels with hanna somatics.

Legendary Vincenzo - awesome work!

PPT is well up on my list to be trained in...

I've read all of your comments to Ron and he says thank you all for being so kind.

There aren't 'theories' to PPT but verifyable principles of how the nervous system is organised. How the nervous system is organised is in how Perietal lobes, temporal lobes, pre-motor cortex, motor cortex all interrelate and more besides. The connections are so vast I've asked Ron and Edie to write a book on it as no one has clarified how they all interrelate.

Now I've read and seen 'assisted pandiculation' which is similar to one method in PPT which is based on opposing muscle groups and how they are organised. The difference is its not awareness or slow release that makes it work it's the fact that if I make a certain muscle contract under a load there's a signal going to the opposing group to relax.

The difference with PPT is once we elicit this response ie. if I resist someone flexing their biceps there's a signal going to the triceps, in PPT we have our magic softened sensitised fingers on the tricep noticing the degree of relaxing and using precise palpation techniques at different depths providing feedback to the sensory cortex 'this is relaxation'. All this is communication with the premotor cortex and its connections.

From what I've seen this feedback seems to be missing from other forms of work. Why all this works is muscles resist one another with certain conditions restricting smooth coordination. By educating and amplifying the natural signaling, coordination refines because the nervous system makes a clear distinction where if this muscle contracts this one lengthens. It's the feedback that is touching the muscle precisely that informs the brain what's going on that makes PPT work so powerfully.

Finger magic consequently is nothing like pandiculation as it is based on communicating to the parietal lobes about position of the fingers arms, shoulders, neck head, spine ,ribs ,pelvis in relation to one another. Again what makes it work is noticing which positions soften and free movement and giving direct information rich feedback through skin, muscle and joints. The feedback is touching all over the areas (bone, tendon, joint and muscle) that soften and become smooth. This is 'talking' to the Parietal Lobes.

If you want to know more contact me for the details. don@patternsofphysicaltransformation.com or 07722145673 as I've had the privilege of working with Ron for the last 4 years learning these deeper aspects.

Ron created PPT so you don't need to learn a load of complicated information to be able to work with physical process's. Ron has shown children how to do this in 5 minutes that's the point!

Hi Ron asked me to post this as this may be useful in understanding the difference with PPT.....

In PPT posturing and movement are unconsciously organised. With PPT we never say notice that this muscle is tense. We only draw the clients awareness to it once we have relaxed it. This is Neuro-chemistry. Many forms of body work draw peoples attention to what’s tense. In the brain this teaches people to notice tension then relax. Quite a typical pattern in the west.

What’s different with PPT is to evoke the desired response unconsciously first then draw attention to it. This teaches the brain notice what relaxed movement feels like here. The nervous system is gated. That is they fire once a certain set of signals are in place. In PPT unlike many other forms the gate is set up to work once good chemistry is in place. This is the meaning of noticing relaxation and softness. Other wise the gate is set up to fire once the muscles are tense enough, not calibrating the gate to what is relaxed, which is the meaning of relax the muscle before you bring awareness to it. PPT sets the gate to fire to maintain relaxation, not to wait till it gets tense.

What makes PPT revolutionary is this. People develop problems from Unconscious patterns. We don’t believe in insight creating change. That is bringing awareness to unconscious unhealthful patterns. We work by eliciting new unconscious patterns first then noticing it. This teaches the nervous system and the persons awareness to monitor what feels relaxed smooth and comfortable, not to wait till it gets tense enough to notice.
In PPT nothing is ever wrong the most we can say is it may be a mistake.

PPT like NLP evokes appropriate unconscious behaviour first then awareness of the fact. This accomplishes many things. This recalibrates unconscious mechanisms towards what functions well and what amplifies that. Informs the person to monitor good functioning instead of waiting till something tenses up. Creates the appropriate healthful Neuro-chemical states associated to posturing. That is focusing on what functions well.

All PPT techniques are algorithms. Finger magic shows how the angles of the fingers, wrists, elbows shoulders, head , neck , spine ribcage, hips, legs and feet effect the freedom of the fingers. That’s the first part. The important part is once the appropriate position is found to palpate richly all over the fingers, forearms etc. this is the feedback part. Detailed and rich feedback.. This is how the brain learns to keep that freedom at any angle. The next level is learning what skin colour tone muscle tone etc feels like, looks like. Very few body workers calibrate to what is good functioning. Finger magic introduces what it looks, like feels like.

The fundamental pattern to finger magic is what is needed to soften and free movement in terms of organisation of other parts and how to provide rich and detailed feedback.

Using it on oneself creates hands that are so soft that they can conform to the contours and shapes of the body so fully that really soft hands and a really deliciously comfortable state with out technique softens muscles just with touch.

Try this on yourself or a friend. Place your hands gently on any area of the body soften and sensitise your hands over the whole palm, all pads the whole fingers so your hands conforms to the shape of that area with very little pressure. Your friend will notice quite a great deal of heat in that area and you will notice muscles softening with just touching with delicate precision. That’s before you even start officially doing anything.

Don, how long does it take to 'get' PPT
(in light of the 4 years you've had to get the deeper aspects).

lol. and if you say 4 years...

lol

Hey Al, how long does it take to 'get' Thai Boxing?

Hwey.

With the de facto Martial Arts training schedule of twice a week, probably about a year to get over the rookie phase. That'll give you a good foundation.

Best,

Al