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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Is it actually possible to deliberately induce multiple personalities in an adult? Somehow I doubt it.

    venus

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    Quote venus_brown wrote: View Post
    Is it actually possible to deliberately induce multiple personalities in an adult? Somehow I doubt it.

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    According to B & G in "Frogs into Princes" they suspect MPD structures are always created by someone else. This is usually an adult as far as I can tell.
    I've never been sure how that could happen, but the main person with MPD I knew only 'discovered' they had multiple personalities when they got together with a very charismatic and controlling partner, I never worked out how it could have happened, but based on B & G's hypothesis, I remain suspicious about what was really going on between them.
    I offered to work with the lady in question on reintegrating, but she was quite happy with the state of affairs - MPD had ironically become her 'identity'!!

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    Quote Nigel Adams wrote: View Post
    I've never been sure how that could happen, but the main person with MPD I knew only 'discovered' they had multiple personalities when they got together with a very charismatic and controlling partner,
    And indeed that charismatic partner is nearly always a therapist....

    I refer you to this thread on another forum: Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestion & Metaphor - alt.hypnosis | Google Groups#

    And:

    Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestion & Metaphor - alt.hypnosis | Google Groups

    In my post on those threads i reference useful material for those who may want to read something other than NLP books.

    Regards,


    Andrew Austin
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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Andrew,

    With all due respect, when you speak of "Satanic panic" and MPD you really don't know what you're talking about. Because you just don't know what you don't know.

    Venus

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    Quote venus_brown wrote: View Post
    Andrew,

    With all due respect, when you speak of "Satanic panic" and MPD you really don't know what you're talking about. Because you just don't know what you don't know.

    Venus
    Oh OK, thanks for letting me know.

    Best wishes,

    Andrew Austin

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    Quote venus_brown wrote: View Post
    Andrew,

    With all due respect, when you speak of "Satanic panic" and MPD you really don't know what you're talking about. Because you just don't know what you don't know.

    Venus
    Venus,
    With all due respect, how do you know that you know that Andrew doesn't know?


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    Hi Nigel,

    Have you ever seen Venus and Andrew together at the same time? Or even pictured together at the same event? No? Hmmm...

    Think about the subject under discussion here and I think you'll discover there might just be something else going on...

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez

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    Quote map002 wrote: View Post
    Hi Nigel,

    Have you ever seen Venus and Andrew together at the same time? Or even pictured together at the same event? No? Hmmm...

    Think about the subject under discussion here and I think you'll discover there might just be something else going on...

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez

    Oh no!

    It's that Michael and Latoyah Jackson thing all over.

    I am Venus's "alter".......

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    Actually, now I come to think of it. Michael, what is that you don't know that you didn't do?

    Any gaps in your memory at all... hmmmmm?

    It's them pesky aliens abducting people again, I tell you!

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    Hi Andy,

    Nah, after the aliens pop 'round I always know because they never use enough 'lube with the probes and I walk funny for a week.

    Now on the other hand it might be those damn angels again. I'll have to leave out some traps. Or get a cat.

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez

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    I was delighted a few years ago to find myself featured on a conspiracy site. I was apparently the head of a "gang stalking" cabal. I'd never heard of the term before and did a google search. It's quite remarkable, and the videos regarding gang stalking on youtube are well worth checking out.

    Being the head of a conspiracy was great fun, even if i knew nothing about it. So I put this up to confuse the masses further: 23

    I'll try and find the original page that featured me and post here, it makes for interesting reading.... I...felt...like....they....must....be watching.... ME!

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    On a more serious note, Andrew's posts from alt.hypnosis addressed the (originally) Freudian notion of unconscious repression of memories which he theorised would lead to unexpected behaviours popping up, seemingly out of nowhere.

    And along those lines, I was reading an interesting paper on the Freudian idea of symptom substitution, including the notion that if you fix a behaviour without uncovering and dealing with the repressed or suppressed 'root cause', it would pop up as another behaviour. Essentially, the author, after looking at decades of case studies and statistics from behavioural modification therapies (like CBT, for example) and traditional psychotherapy, posits the notion that although the idea of symptom substitution sounds good, it doesn't tend to be borne out in real life unless, it seems, on expects it to be there and then it is...

    Interestingly, B&G seem to have both acknowledged and decried these notions sequentially.

    Any thoughts/and or ideas on the validity of these notions in your own experiences?

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez
    Last edited by map002; 29th Jul 08 at 03:48 pm. Reason: Rephrased for greater specificity

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Michael, I would think that the root cause of everything we ever do is to stay alive and procreate (genetically and/or memetically). Of course, psychologists tend to like to chunk a bit differently than I do...

    -Turil

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Hi Turil,

    I tend to agree, as you say, in a very large chunk way!

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Which would mean that pretty much every time you do something different, it's a substitution. In which case, the psychologists are right. :-)

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    That makes sense. I ride a bicycle, I really wanted to eat or have sex, so the bicycle is the vagina or a hamburger, or both. I get it!

    Be Well,

    Michael Perez

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    Quote 23nlpeople wrote: View Post
    I was delighted a few years ago to find myself featured on a conspiracy site. I was apparently the head of a "gang stalking" cabal. I'd never heard of the term before and did a google search. It's quite remarkable, and the videos regarding gang stalking on youtube are well worth checking out.

    Being the head of a conspiracy was great fun, even if i knew nothing about it. So I put this up to confuse the masses further: 23

    I'll try and find the original page that featured me and post here, it makes for interesting reading.... I...felt...like....they....must....be watching.... ME!
    I did a googlism out of curiosity and apparently you are also "one of our best human beings!!" What do you reckon??
    Googlism for: andrew austin


    andrew austin is senior consultant specialising in advice to uk and multinational companies on their banking arrangements
    andrew austin is not familiar with the various writings/teaching on nonviolence
    andrew austin is one of our best human beings
    andrew austin is co
    andrew austin is a 17
    andrew austin is a nlper and a registered nurse
    andrew austin is an economics professor at the university of houston
    andrew austin is a qualified electronics engineer with some 20 years’ experience in the field
    andrew austin is assistant professor of social change and development and sociology at the university of wisconsin
    andrew austin is vice president of business development

    Googlism
    Last edited by mrlimbic; 29th Jul 08 at 05:51 pm.

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Nigel,

    ..and just what are these plans for world domination and maximun compliance then? Google is onto you..

    "nigel adams is to have absolute control over all compliance and we are giving him the resources and staff to ensure the success of his mission in this vital"

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    Re: Bipolar Disorder & NLP

    Where exactly do you come up with this stuff, John...???

    ....and I would never suggest to you that you have too much time on your hands...


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    Quote pcadams wrote: View Post
    Where exactly do you come up with this stuff, John...???

    ....and I would never suggest to you that you have too much time on your hands...
    it takes a second to do.. you are apparently "the best kept secret of the pros"

    Googlism for Phil Adams

    Off to my capoeira class now.. have fun with googlism.. look up you friends..

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