russianbear wrote:

Come to my dealership, I'll show you.

Have been been doing NLP on them though?

John

i try, but i suck. but i am persistent. i will learn NLP skills and be able to apply them to increase my success. that much i'm sure of

russianbear wrote:

i try, but i suck. but i am persistent. i will learn NLP skills and be able to apply them to increase my success. that much i'm sure of

That's good but obviously not enough for Bonnie.

John

I'm pretty sure if I was good enough to trap Bonnie via hypnosis I'd be doing something else and not struggling so much for money.

russianbear wrote:

i try, but i suck. but i am persistent. i will learn NLP skills and be able to apply them to increase my success. that much i'm sure of

Well, stop trying immediately and just do it. And is it trying you suck at, 'cause that's okay really - it won't get you anywhere, so sucking at what doesn't work is actually not a bad idea. I like the being persistent part - that's actually something useful you don't want to suck at.

Don't worry about becoming Jonathan right away. It took him years to do it. But you could take one language pattern a day and do it whenever you think about it. And whatever you do, don't try.

Or I'll sick Bonnie on you again.

BMcKenna wrote:

Or I'll sick Bonnie on you again.

You're a pretty sophisticated NLPer, perhaps you are the one that hypnotized her and are controlling her mind, taking her stuff and limiting her internet access to just two minutes.

I don't mind sucking at what doesn't work, and I'm a pretty stubborn guy, so I know I'll keep at this until I am the best. I won't settle for anything less.

russianbear wrote:

...perhaps you are the one that hypnotized her and are controlling her mind, taking her stuff and limiting her internet access to just two minutes.

John, Tony has found us out. It actually took the combined powers of two Jedi masters to accomplish, and now the jig is up.

russianbear wrote:

I don't mind sucking at what doesn't work, and I'm a pretty stubborn guy, so I know I'll keep at this until I am the best. I won't settle for anything less.

Glad to hear it. Keeping blowing at what sucks and being determined about what makes life more fun. It's a great combination.

BMcKenna wrote:

John, Ben has found us out. It actually took the combined powers of two Jedi masters to accomplish, and now the jig is up.



Glad to hear it. Keeping blowing at what sucks and being determined about what makes life more fun. It's a great combination.

I prefer to look at the evidence.

Of all the threads on this forum and there must be thousands, who's did she pick on to raise her very real concerns about someone she met who has done NLP but obviously is not yet skilled enough to do it properly.

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck and.........turn on the oven Mabel.

John

z8000783 wrote:

I prefer to look at the evidence.

Of all the threads on this forum and there must be thousands, who's did she pick on to raise her very real concerns about someone she met who has done NLP but obviously is not yet skilled enough to do it properly.

If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck and.........turn on the oven Mabel.

John

WHATEVER!!! I'm still trying to figure out how to get myself out of this trance I'm in long enough to put someone else in a trance.

russianbear wrote:

WHATEVER!!! I'm still trying to figure out how to get myself out of this trance I'm in long enough to put someone else in a trance.

You don't. Stay in it.

John

How does that help me?

russianbear wrote:

How does that help me?

It doesn't yet, but it will.

John

scared21 wrote:

my name is Bonnie Gruber and I have been a severe victom of nlp-hypnosis abuse and it is still going on.

Bonnie, if you feel unsafe, go to the emergency room. There are no answers here; only questions.

russianbear wrote:

What the f is this, why is it on my post? This adds absolutely nothing to my Ben Feldman post. I'm certain this person is not stable.

I imagine that if she is as scared as she says, she is looking for a place to feel safe. This thread you created probably felt safe for her. Nothing to complain about. Remember your compassion.

Michael,
You're right.

Anyone here know anything about the book, "MindLines"? Will that help me linguistically be a better salesman?

Tony (Altfeld's sidekick)

So, lately I've been concentrating on just getting to know people and bond with them. So far it hasn't helped me sell any more vehicles, but I'm going to keep trying this on a hunch it may teach me something.

russianbear wrote:

So, lately I've been concentrating on just getting to know people and bond with them. So far it hasn't helped me sell any more vehicles, but I'm going to keep trying this on a hunch it may teach me something.

That sounds like a good plan, except for the part about not selling more vehicles. What is your conversion rate?

I don't know. It seems that I'm having difficulty moving from the "I'm your friend" zone into the "I'm your salesman" zone.

Perhaps that is the issue. You are not necessarily aiming to be their friend but to understand their needs so that you can help them buy the car that is right for them.

Nick,
I am trying to distinguish myself in their minds as a person who genuinely cares about them and cares about helping them make the right decision. Getting to know them on a deeper level and getting to know what it is that I am able to do for them. However, I am still getting the exact same objections as I would if I acted like a "typical" car salesman.