After reading Bandler's Persuasion Engineering, along with other NLP books, I couldn't help but feel giddy with excitement with the potential that NLP holds. I read his fanciful stories and eat them up, but how legitimate is all of this? Apparently Bandler went bankrupt in 2000, (I am completely over reading into his bankruptcy as I do not know any details) how does a man of his talent end up bankrupt?

One particular story (I think page 17) stuck in my mind about him going to an auto-dealership and simply starts selling cars. He describes selling practically every car on the lot along with crappy cars that were once deemed unsellable by the dealership. Well if this is true, why aren't you all millionaires? Legitimate question for those using NLP to make more money; responses involving statements about how they could make money or how they aren't interested in wealth are unhelpful. Looking for responses involving the communicative side of NLP as opposed to self congruence, motivation, determination to succeed etc...

So to all of the practitioners of NLP on here, how have these techniques aided your financial gain? How have these techniques aided your ability to close on sales? Apparently some people have 97% close ratios which is a number anyone can reach according to Bandler.


tl;dr Are you selling everything and anything to anyone like Bandler proposes we can do?
ITT Success stories

tl;dr (I don't know how forum savvy some of you are but that means "too long; didn't read" followed by a summary of the post) and also ITT "in this thread"

Sorry if this is a re-post or a topic brought up all too often, by the way
hello! I guarantee I will be sucked into this community

Perhaps it's because we can do what we want to do without being Millionaires.

John

There is neither happiness nor misery in the world, there is only the comparison of one state to another

Hi Bender apparantly Bandlers stories being true are not the point. So it is kind of a repost because there are many that simply don't get it. Only those nested loop structure savvy get it. Everyone else I think either gets sucked in or just think he is an outrageous lyer like myself. Whether it goes in to your "unconscius" depends on what you believe in I suppose so what exactly is the point of Bandlers stories?

Alistair --

have you ever heard a story and laughed, or cried, or been inspired?

Then you know that stories can change your state. And really good storytellers can do that with precision. And being able to get an audience to go from one state to another can help build responses in them. A tacky example is what happens when people go to time share presentations and are painted a picture of the holidays they can have if they only sign up that night. It works.

As a big cheese in the corporate world said (I forget who) 'Half of the money I spend on advertising is wasted. The problem is, I don't know which half.' Adverts are stories which influence behaviour.

So, if timeshare sales people and adverts can change the way you think and act, imagine what's possible for a highly skilled hypnotist like Bandler who has spent decades refining the skill of working with audiences. I've been on the receiving end, and it's an astonishing experience. And now, years later, I know something of what goes into making those things possible, and can work a little of that magic myself. And, by the way, it can all be done without nested loops. A good craftsman knows what tools to use, and when others might be preferable.

Bender Bending Rodríguez wrote:

After reading Bandler's Persuasion Engineering, along with other NLP books, I couldn't help but feel giddy with excitement with the potential that NLP holds. I read his fanciful stories and eat them up, but how legitimate is all of this? Apparently Bandler went bankrupt in 2000, (I am completely over reading into his bankruptcy as I do not know any details) how does a man of his talent end up bankrupt?

One particular story (I think page 17) stuck in my mind about him going to an auto-dealership and simply starts selling cars. He describes selling practically every car on the lot along with crappy cars that were once deemed unsellable by the dealership. Well if this is true, why aren't you all millionaires? Legitimate question for those using NLP to make more money; responses involving statements about how they could make money or how they aren't interested in wealth are unhelpful. Looking for responses involving the communicative side of NLP as opposed to self congruence, motivation, determination to succeed etc...

So to all of the practitioners of NLP on here, how have these techniques aided your financial gain? How have these techniques aided your ability to close on sales? Apparently some people have 97% close ratios which is a number anyone can reach according to Bandler.


tl;dr Are you selling everything and anything to anyone like Bandler proposes we can do?
ITT Success stories

tl;dr (I don't know how forum savvy some of you are but that means "too long; didn't read" followed by a summary of the post) and also ITT "in this thread"

Sorry if this is a re-post or a topic brought up all too often, by the way
hello! I guarantee I will be sucked into this community

interesting...you seem to have "hallucinated" from reading an NLP Book that it has been represented as "being some sort of vehicle" for reaping huge financial gains

is acquired massive wealth/high net worth the ONLY proof you recognize that NLP has merit?

We all use NLP in our lives knowing or unknowingly. I believe Milton Ericsson was the first therapist to have used NLP. Bandler tried and structured techniques which we know and read now. I have read his stuff and seen his videos and I am impressed with what he has done.

I have never worked to be a millionaire but did jobs which I enjoyed doing till they became boring. My work is not about just making money but to consider what I believe to be ethical. I am sure if I put my ethics and beliefs aside, I be richer then I am now. I hope this answer your question.

I am a frontline sales man. I work with the public on a day to day basis and from my experience, what NLP has done is change the way I communicate with customers which in turn has increased my sales. It has done this by looking at how I have been doing things, evaluating what I can do better and applying it. For example changing an approach from closed questions ("can I help? Are you ok?") to open statements ("You look like a man who knows what he wants", "Bad game for Liverpool last night","I have your [overly exaggerated] product right here").

NLP hasn't made me a millionaire because I don't know the topics to become a millionaire to be improved upon. I don't have a degree is business studies or been trained as a pilot. NLP can only take what you have an help you improve upon it. I was, however, awarded UK salesman of the year 2009 and massively increased my turnover.

Thanks Jamie and Mohammed for answering questions of mine.

And to Jim - apparently you have "hallucinated" reading a "statement I didn't make," let me help you out:
is acquired massive wealth/high net worth the ONLY proof you recognize that the claims of getting massive wealth/high net worth by NLP (by Bandler) has merit?
Yes.

I have run an electronics business for 23 years and NLP has helped my business a lot. This last year has been my most successful yet. I think Persuasion engineering is one of the best books I have read on sales.

I am not a millionaire, perhaps I will be, perhaps not, the amount of money in the bank has very little to do with my happiness.

The more I have learned about how to be rich, the more I have discovered that being rich is not the aim of the game.

NLP is about modelling how people do stuff, and then you can teach the models to other people.

If someone is offering a model of how to become or be financially successful, then I think it's fair enough to ask if they're financially successful themselves. Ditto if someone says a particular model has worked for them.

But if someone is using NLP to model creativity, for example, then money may have nothing to do with it. Same if they're modelling healing, teaching or sport. There's nothing about NLP per se that will make anyone rich. You can be very good at modelling and applying models without modelling or applying any models to do with money.