Michael_DeBusk wrote:

It may be that Persuasion Engineering is one of those "you had to be there" things for many people. I've attended it three times and appreciated it each time. (It gets better with every iteration, apparently.)

Transcribed seminars are not really books.

Hi Michael, I certainly appreciate that this was a transcription of an actual training. That was obvious to me. However, many of Connairae and Steve's books were also transcriptions. In comparison, their books presented the material in a cogent, meaningful and readable way. Although I appreciate the hidden gems in PE, I'm not much of a 'miner'. I would probably enjoy the course in person, or as a video or audio program. The fact that the book is a transcription is not an excuse for bad editing. My opinion is not an indictment of the book's material - just its poor presentation.

Wishing you a 'peace' in the puzzle,

Lucia

While I am not disagreeing entirely with the remark about no installation coming from a book... I do believe that simply states how little knowledge there is about how many things can be installed and how to do so.

Most beliefs people have were installed by someone else (most times without knowing how they installed it). Many beliefs came from reading books. And beliefs most times are or become part of a "program".

Further more if anyone reads a sequence of representational systems over and over again that specific sequence starts to become "installed". First because in order to understand the words we must (yes must) do the internal representation associated to what is written. Second because by simple repetition things do become "installed".

Is this a skill? Well not really (except in very few cases). But most times a skill will requiere specific strategies (sequence of rep systems) and beliefs in order to work. So, what can be installed from a book are prerrequisites for the skill development.
What is missing? In most cases I would say specific exercises (and many times corrective feedback).

Unfortunately even on books including exercises not everyone does them. And this is also true of workshops. Most people do the exercise once and that is it. As if Tiger Woods became that skilled by doing things once!

Lucia, the PE dvds are awesome and I believe John's contributions are even very easy to track in the dvds plus I think it has become even more powerful with the evolution and additional developments.

Installation not possible through text? Well, there's the Bible for a start. Not a fan myself, but many people have unquestionably had their lives changed by it. And then there are Sufi texts, which the authors intentionally created to have particular effects on their readers. Might not be installation as such, but there's been research into people reading the Sufi Nasrudin stories showing that their brain functioning changes as they do so. I'd also say that's the effect of much of Robert Anton Wilson's writing -- which notably include exercises for the reader to do.

faboualfa wrote:

along side with the book........its bloody excellent......

I hope you'll buy the DVD set, then.

I anchored my self for the first time....and it was a happy thought between my thumb and my finger...and now every time I hold a pick to play guitar i start giggling....: :p

It's great that you got that anchor. I'll suggest that you pick other parts of your body, though, to set resource anchors if you want them. Fingertips are really sensitive (so it's tough to get a precise anchor on them) and we use them all the time (so the anchors get "diluted").