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Just joined as was doing some research on Meta programs and need to go back and see an answer to a que4stion that bought me here so hope it has one there.
May not get here too often but will do my best.
am just 5 days to go to finish my trainers training with Tad James in Sydney

Hi Serena

Hope you can stick around, sounds like you have much to offer.

Intrigued to know what research you are doing as well.

John

Time is a great teacher but unfortunately it kills all its pupils

One of the questions on our tst is list 10 Meta programs and what 2 questions you would use to utilise each one in the form of say business, relationship or therapy.

so say for the
Direction Sort which is towards or away from, - what do you want in a job?
or
what do you want in a rlationhip?

I am having trouble trying to come upw ith ideas on the questions to elicit the information that gives you the answers to what theya re for each fileter etc.

Does that make sense?
Test is on Monday about 80 odd questions and my head is about to explode.. hahaha but if I can find a way to understand something then i wont ahve problems answering them, so sometimes doing research puts it more clear in your head.

If I'm understanding this right, you're asking which of these illustrates a "towards" sorting patttern and which an "away from?" Because both these seem to me to be sorting for towards. Away from might be something like "What are you trying to avoid in your next relationship?" or "What do you not want to be doing in your job this time next year>"

Forgive me if I've misunderstood the original parameters. And Feel free to give more details, also.

thanks Bridget, guess I didnt explain it properly.

The question asks

List 10 Meta Program, the question to elicit them........

and how to utilize them in at least 2 contexts, (either business, education or therapy) for each of those programs.

so I am trying to get it through my head. I have no problems with the Meta Programs, have them sorted and what each one is about.

ie;


Direction Sort - towards or away from... what do you want in a job?

Reason sort - necessity / possiblity .... wy did you choose this job?

I'm probably having difficulties working out what questions to ask to be able to interpret whether they are one of the other
ie: toward or away
necessity or possibility
active / reflective
big picture / specific details

so for each one, I need to understand and I underscore understand so I could write 10 questions for any of the filters so to speak to be able to work out whether they are one or the other.
Thats what I am finding a little hard.
Hope this explains it better.


I know for necessity / possibility it is whether they chose to or had to do something so that would probably be fairly easy.

Why are you living in such an such a country? because I want to or I have to because of my husbands job etc

but say the:

ACTION LEVEL SORT - active / reflective...

could you use something like this and would it relate to business...

If your a fire fighter and you were standng near a house blaze area and someone was waving out of a window that was about to be engulfed soon in flames, would you race in and just save them or would you work out a plan on how to do it safely?

would that work for that filter... or how do i work out the best line of questions to really get the answer i need

and so on

thanks
Serena

I'd say tailor your questions carefully. For instance:

...seems to me to be gearing itself "towards". Of course metaprograms are not either/or, but points along a spectrum, and highly contextual, as I'm sure you've already learned. Furthermore, we can be standing close to one end of a sorting spectrum and facing the other. Even furthermore, if you're dealing with people face to face, tonality, speed of speech, and gestures can give as much or more information than verbal answers.

That said, even if I were only going to see a written response and my goal was to say "X is exhibiting towards / away from sorting" I'd want to open up the question more: "What will your ideal job be like?" and then take t/af cues from the answer.

This one seems open enough to elicit answers along that spectrum.

Are you allowed to frame questions as hypothetical situations? so for big picture / details, "You've decided you want to throw a party soon. What are your thoughts on the subject, and what do you do next?" Vary the types of questions based on: How might I notice someone's sorting frames in real-world situations? For instance, some people plan a party down to the last detail, while others call up a few friends and say "Come on over!" Most people are somewhere between those two points on the spectrum.

What other situations can you imagine (other than all of them ) where people reveal how they sort reality?

It does indeed. I hope anything I had to say helps.

they were fantastic..lol But I needed them today. bummer..
that's okay. I passed which is the main thing and this now gives me clearer instruction on how tounderstand them.

thanks so much for yur help..

2 presentations and one demo to go and I am a trainers trainer.. wooo hooo

So that was a trainer training exam? Cool. At what point in your prac or master prac did they cover meta programs? I'm interested in the different ways trainers structure their trainings - no two seem to be alike.

Sorry my suggestions got there too late to help - that's the problem with living on a round planet. Sounds like you did fine, though.

Hello.. interesting post :-)

I am also completing my trainer training in Sydney at the moment along with Advanced Presentation Skills in the company of John Grinder.
Having a wonderful time and giving the silver teapot another polish.

Serena, if you are friends with Deborah who has an irish accent say hi from me :-) xx

Hey Angela... wow

yes I think I know deborah, she is one of the Trainers assistant if it's who I think it is.. so will drop her a hi. We're working in differant rooms at the moment.

Or is it Deborah thats doing the training... married to onathon.. hmm which one..lol
thanks
Serena

PS Meta Programs I think from memory were introduced during Masters prac.. but colod be wrong. They only started to make sense to me at trainers..lol

Hi

Tad's & Wyatt's Book Timeline Therapy and the Bases of personality covers meta programs in detail- and is a good refresher- and is a must have book if your doing Tad's trainings-

J

Serena

respectfully I sure hope he trained you better than some TT alum of Tad's I've met in the past. not one of them could demonstrate any skills(like analog marking) if their life depended on it

with sincere intent, sometimes i think differant techniques are taught at differant courses because we have students from all over the world and a lot of them have done differant stuff as well or things done in a differant way....
so doesnt matter I think when you pass a course its up to the person to keep themselves up to date and current with information and growth as well for themselves. You can lead a horse to water and tach it how to walk and drink, but you cant make it do it or follow your instuctions from then on.
You would probably find the same thing with students from other instructors as well... do the same thing.

but to be honest with you, this thread isn't about inviting reproach or going off topic, it was about help for me in regards to a subject.....
so maybe you could start your own thread if this is an issue with you.
I actually found your comment a bit off putting to come into my topic of another subject.
How would I know if he has taught me the same or if not better or why i would let that even be a concern to me.
I will be the one to know if I am knowledgeable on what I need to know and I can certainly tell you i am not an expert on every single part or technique of NLP, TLT or hypnotherapy.

Thanks Jay, I think I have this book but could only bring so much luggage with me as came from perth to sydney.
But I certainly now have a bigger understanding of things and will utilie the next year to practice, learn and grow hugely now with this better understanding.
I am going to assist at a lot of courses as well, so all good. thanks for the info.

Hi Serena


I am sure you will have a wonderful adventure over the next year and beyond that too- Australia has a rich NLP resource base- that you can tap into that when its time to grow more and more-


J

Hi Serena!

I'm from Perth - love to catch up if you get a moment?

Cheers!

Hi Serena
i saw Deb last week and she mentioned you so i guess you sorted out who i was refering to :-)
Enjoy your nlp journey!
Ange x

thanks Althea, sent you a message would love to catch up.

And yes Angela, got the right Deb and worked out that it was she that knew you so passed on your info about here..lol

It's all fantastic, passed the trainers training, but having done it in such a short time, i will be spending the next year, training, learning, go over. hashing etc, so I become even more proficient.

thanks all for your kind positive messages