Well its always good to greet people with a smile so thought I would start with one. I am what I am so my user name is my name most people call me Margaret my second name is Elisabeth so I rolled them into one for the purposes of computing a name that was not already taken.

I came to the site looking for a practice group in Sheffield No luck as yet so how about joining me in starting one I have a room that could be used on a regular basis, small enough to be un- intimidating and large enough for a small group to grow. And! We can use it for free. We can have a drink and discuss what we would like to practice. Should I get an overwhelming response then we may have to devise some sort of schedule.

I am an NLP practitioner and have done some Master practitioner training. I realy need to practice my skills to consolidate and improve so any willing victims out ther who are looking for the same sort of thing please get in touch.
is there a private post facility on the site I haven't as yet got as far as investigating. if not leave a message here and we will find a way of communicating. I am looking forward to meeting some new people.

Welcome

Thank you, is there any one else out there in the rain?

Margaretelisabeth wrote:

Thank you, is there any one else out there in the rain?

Probably looking for their umbrellas.

Tony, you mean probably looking for their purple umbrellas... Milton?

JurkMalecki wrote:

Tony, you mean probably looking for their purple umbrellas... Milton?

It is the only color I can truly appreciate, you know....and that's a good thing, isn't it.

Yes, Milton...

Margaret, if you are not following this exchenge, let me explain - Milton Erickson was technically colour blind with purple being a slight exception.

Cheers

My understanding of colour blindness is that it is variable as are most things to do with human beings. I did not know that Milton Ericson was colour blind , is there something pertinant about that?

Hello Margaret,

I would love to join a practice group!! I too have been looking for one, and up to now with no success.

I have also done Master Prac as well as NLP Coaching and want to enhance my skills.

Thank you for your offer.

Margaretelisabeth wrote:

My understanding of colour blindness is that it is variable as are most things to do with human beings. I did not know that Milton Ericson was colour blind , is there something pertinant about that?

There was more to this, ME spent most of his life in a wheelchair (two Polio attacks) - all such ordeals and challenges helped him to develop extraordinary sensitivity allowing him to "read" his clients very well, he was reported to be able to track not only client's breathing pattern, but also many other "state parameters" like the colour and tonus of the skin, all these subtle differences people with ordinary and not thus extra develop sensitivity have difficult monitoring real time.... Cheers

Margaretelisabeth wrote:

My understanding of colour blindness is that it is variable as are most things to do with human beings. I did not know that Milton Ericson was colour blind , is there something pertinant about that?

No, nothing pertinent. Purple was just the only color he could appreciate, therefore his entire home was decorated in purple and his clothes were purple. I know this is mentioned in the book "Phoenix" as well as alluded to in Bandler's "Guide to Trance-formations." Just an interesting fact really.

I would suggest if you want a fuller history of the life of Dr. Erickson you would consider buying this book.

Milton H Erickson - An American Healer (2006) By Betty Alice Erickson (Wife) & Bradford Keeney -You might find your missing a few bits.


J

Jay Budzynski wrote:

I would suggest if you want a fuller history of the life of Dr. Erickson you would consider buying this book.

Milton H Erickson - An American Healer (2006) By Betty Alice Erickson (Daughter) & Bradford Keeney -You might find your missing a few bits.


J

I'm missing a lot more than a few bits. What about the book by Ronald Havens, "The Wisdom of Milton Erickson." I've heard that's a good read as well.

Need to add amendment Daughter needs to change to wife- lol

russianbear wrote:

I'm missing a lot more than a few bits. What about the book by Ronald Havens, "The Wisdom of Milton Erickson." I've heard that's a good read as well.

When we are looking at history stand points, family is always going to have a much richer set of experiences- has they will have a much more personal set of representations- books by students can some times be based on infatuation and miss out on some of the suitable idiosyncrasies of the person being documented- "An American Healer" is by far one of the richest sources of history relating to Milton Erickson- if you really want to learn about the man- above and beyond what you might have picked up from NLP book etc. this is a real gold mine-

Has we are two individuals with two sets of life experiences and ways of filtering the world- I suggest you read the wisdom of Milton Erickson- and learn from your own experiences- that way you are not deprived from someones eles map of the world.

J

Sir Jay,
It's on my list on Amazon. I have so darn many books already to read and learn from. I will get to it, though, on my quest to become as effective as he was.
tony (purple is also the color of royalty....King Milton? Has a nice ring to it....doesn't it?)

I had a weekend of study with Bill O'Hanlon last year he studied with Milton Ericson, after he stopped working full time, at his home. He had lots of anecdotal stories about his experiences and the way in which Ericson worked. He never mentioned the Purple thing as far as I remember but maybe my filters were set so that it seemed unimportant at the time. If as you say he was colour blind it is unusual that he was so well attuned to skin tone changes.

Margaretelisabeth wrote:

I had a weekend of study with Bill O'Hanlon last year he studied with Milton Ericson, after he stopped working full time, at his home. He had lots of anecdotal stories about his experiences and the way in which Ericson worked. He never mentioned the Purple thing as far as I remember but maybe my filters were set so that it seemed unimportant at the time. If as you say he was colour blind it is unusual that he was so well attuned to skin tone changes.

I would disagree. When I was taught about sensory acuity and noticing skin tone changes in the face I was taught to imagine them in black and white. It was actually much easier to notice the skin tone changes in black and white than in color. Watch an old movie or tv show in black and white. You'll see what I mean.

The black and White thing tend to come from the Tad James & Chris Howard Schools, I find it really easy to read face tone by noticing the side of the eyes and noticing if theres any wrinkles or not and pupil dilation and if the head has any tilt to it or not which give me an idea as to where in space visual representations are being placed.


J

Jay Budzynski wrote:

The black and White thing tend to come from the Tad James & Chris Howard Schools, I find it really easy to read face tone by noticing the side of the eyes and noticing if theres any wrinkles or not and pupil dilation and if the head has any tilt to it or not which give me an idea as to where in space visual representations are being placed.


J

Because you're much better than I am...currently.....hmmmmmm.

I tend to notice when the face muscles flatten, the eyes defocus, the bottom lip smooths out more than color changes, but I do notice color changes as well.

I thought you were using the word tone in the artistic sense of colour, of course that is not the only way to read a persons facial language. if we are talking in terms of muscle tone and the way a persons body and face change in response to emotions and stimuli that would make more sense to me.