hi Michael, you...seem...to...have...a...good...idea...as...to ...my...point!
...Bandler and Grinder...have...played...their...part...just...li ke...all...
great...minds...in...history...and...they...all... end...up...the...same...
...their...bit...of...the...whole...story...will.. .never...be...the...whole...story!
...yet...you...cant...negate...it!..why...would... you...want...to!..

"And assuming that you mean to say NLP is or can somehow be made into a science in the modern sense of that term (i.e. conforming to the scientific method), how have you reformulated or how do you propose to reformulate NLP into a science, given that, as constituted by Bandler and Grinder, it's not about what's true but rather about what works? And would that still be NLP?

NLP...can...be...easily...nestled...somewhere...wh inin...science...if...
Bandler and Grinder...stopped...hiding...the...limits...of...t heir...
imaginations...behind...such...nonsese...as...the. ..cop-out...above...they
...simply...dont...understand...the...bigger...pic ture!...look...Einstein...
...did...the...same...thing...it...dosant...detrac t...from...his...contributions!

peace&love...vern

Hi Vern,

That's interesting and it still doesn't answer my questions and if that makes you happy, I guess that's OK as well!

Be Well,

Michael Perez

hi Michael, whats...the...question!..or...answer...that...woul d...make...you...happy!..

peace&love...vern

Hi Vern,

My main question to you would be, 'What do you think NLP is a sub-field of specifically?'

Be Well,

Michael Perez

Vern

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It is totally pointless and annoying to people trying to read it.

Thank you.

...heaven...forbid...NLPeople...should...be...expe cted...to show...any...flexibility...in...their...interactio ns...after...all...?

(In which case this thread probably wouldn't be going stong at 6 pages!!)

Why do you all write like William Shatner talks?

hi Michael, i...didnot...use...the...word...sub...but...its... a...good...choice...
of...word!...in...relation...to...understanding... NLP...in...the...bigger...scientific...
picture...EVERYTHING...including...you...and...i.. .are...governed...by...patterns...
...in...nature...NLP...fits...snugly...within...th at...pattern...nicely!..NLPs...little...
...games...are...only...a...substation...within... a...larger...grid!..the...transfomers...
transisters...jumpers...etc...are...given...names. ..because...they...do...a...job...
within...the...system...yet...they...are...not...t he....system...its...not...all..Bandler and Grinders...fault...due...to...the...physics...mode l...we...all...use...
being...flawed...iv`ve...heard...on...the...grapev ine...that...Richards...got...
his...mojo...back...so...maybe...it...might...clic k...with...him...soon!

peace&love...vern

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hi Peter, looks...like...a...little...bit...of...calibration ...is...in...order...take...a...
closer...look!..does...this...look...like...the... above?

peace&love...vern

For some reason I am reminded of the old axiom, "He who gives advise to a heedless man is himself in need of advise."

Did anyone follow his link? [ame=http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0595094724/]Amazon.com: How to Good-Bye Depression: If You Constrict Anus 100 Times Everyday. Malarkey? or Effective Way?: Hiroyuki Nishigaki: Books[/ame]

"Besides shooting out a big blank from your buttock, you can feel as if your root chakra leaked sweet hot mucus."

Apparently he was influenced by Carlos Castenada, looks he they got different thingsfrom studying the work of the famous Carlos than Richard and John did!

Hi Vern,

Thanks for your reply!

Be Well,

Michael Perez

Hi All,

I'll just mention that you don't *need* to read posts you don't enjoy reading or that are written or formatted in ways you don't find pleasant. The arrow keys and scroll bars are your friends!

Be Well

hi Michael, your...most...welcome!..at...the...risk...of...rem inding...Andrew...of...
another...lie...i...hope...you...dont...mind...if. ..i...
add...that...your...electrolite...
level...seems...a...little...low!

peace&love...vern

Hi Vern,

Who's electrolite level specifically? Mine, Andrew's, the unspecificed reader's...?

Be Well,

Michael Perez

hi Michael, yours!..as...i...have...not...mastered...the...art ...of...mind...reading...yet...
...your...words...suggest...low...levels...of...el ectrolite...in...your...system...
...Andrews...on...the...other...hand...are...likel y...on...the...high...side...of...
...5!

peace&love...vern

Michael, sounds like you need a salt water drink, doctors orders!

hi Sam, i...was...thinking...more...along...the...lines... of...a...Gin...and...Tonic!...
...its...not...the...Gin...you...know!...its...all ...in...the...Bubbles...and...Quinine...
...from...the...water!..

peace&love...vern

Hi peace and love vern

vernpeace wrote:

memorys...are...indeed...stored...in...such...a... way...yet...the...suggestion...
that...they...are...fragmented...to...a...degree.. .that...they...need...to...be...reconstituted...
...is...very...mis-leading!...memorys...work...like...a...electrical ring circuit...sometimes...we...create...new...rings!

Umm, I'm basing my --> opinion <-- on reasonably up-to-date publications such as "In Search of Memory" by Prof. Daniel "30 years a researcher in this field" Schacter.

Please tell me your source and I'll read that, too.

BTW, are you any relation to Warren Peace?



Be well

Andy bradbury

Dragon05 wrote:

Name me several Non-Therapies alongside NLP that are used to treat Phobias? NLP is NOT a Therapy, yet it is used frequently to treat Phobias, name several others that are NOT therapies yet used to treat Phobias? Just to be crystal clear on the distinction between NLP & a Therapy.

Sorry Peter, but you've just proved the point.

There is AN NLP-ASSOCIATED TECHNIQUE called THE FAST PHOBIA CURE.

But it ISN'T NLP, ONLY a related technique.

Be well

Andy B.