Hypnotic Mind Coach Accused in Teen Rapes

ABC News: Hypnotic Mind Coach Accused in Teen Rapes



The Fall of Carmine Baffa *UPDATED*
The True Crime Weblog: The Fall of Carmine Baffa *UPDATED*

Well....he is finally as famous as he always wanted to be.....

Hi Tom,

Of course these charges haven't been adjudicated yet, and if they turn out to be true, it's a very unfortunate situation on a number of levels, I think.

As an aside, both the ABC news article and the blog postings contain a number of factual errors and not-so-useful presuppositions. I expect that sort of thing in blog postings but was a bit surprised at the mistakes (NLP being trademarked, for example) and amateurish research (rephrasing internet posts of reviews of Baffa's seminars) in an article by a 'professional' news gathering organisation.

At any rate, I'll be following this story with interest to know how things turn out for all involved.

Be Well,

Michael Perez

Wow.

For those who have never heard of Carmine Baffa, you might be interested in reading his articles here. Also compare Dave Gould's two reviews of his trainings here and here, and Michal Wallace's recently updated review here.

Baffa, whilst not an out and out celebrity, is also not a total nobody in NLP. And as you might find from his articles, he comes over as really knowing his stuff (if sometimes a little dubious when talking of his life achievements and talents). His videos show he has more than a little charisma, and his teaching style echoes Bandler in some ways.

I don't want to get sucked into the "Shock! Horror! NLP Scandal!" bullshit - these are absolutely unproved charges as yet. Perhaps they're true, perhaps not, but Carmine Baffa's an enigmatic individual, and I'm afraid to say these charges make me even more curious.

From the reviews of his seminars it's clear he's been thought of as a "master of unconscious installation" doing more for his trainees' benefit than they can possibly track. Then the - clearly far from objective - news stories slip in several insinuations that he's just a socially awkward fraudster.

Any thoughts anyone - on the quality of his articles? On training experiences? Just curious...

Joseph.

joseph_kao wrote:

Wow.

For those who have never heard of Carmine Baffa, you might be interested in reading his articles here. Also compare Dave Gould's two reviews of his trainings here and here, and Michal Wallace's recently updated review here.

Baffa, whilst not an out and out celebrity, is also not a total nobody in NLP. And as you might find from his articles, he comes over as really knowing his stuff (if sometimes a little dubious when talking of his life achievements and talents). His videos show he has more than a little charisma, and his teaching style echoes Bandler in some ways.

I don't want to get sucked into the "Shock! Horror! NLP Scandal!" bullshit - these are absolutely unproved charges as yet. Perhaps they're true, perhaps not, but Carmine Baffa's an enigmatic individual, and I'm afraid to say these charges make me even more curious.

From the reviews of his seminars it's clear he's been thought of as a "master of unconscious installation" doing more for his trainees' benefit than they can possibly track. Then the - clearly far from objective - news stories slip in several insinuations that he's just a socially awkward fraudster.

Any thoughts anyone - on the quality of his articles? On training experiences? Just curious...

Joseph.

Yeah....fantasy is always interesting. As someone that was around....I know that his articles are fantasy.

I also know of other victims of his brand of sexual therapy.

I think this is only the tip of the iceberg and a huge black eye for NLP.

If Johnny Ramone were alive he'd be pissed this guy stole his haircut.

tomvizzini wrote:

I think this is only the tip of the iceberg and a huge black eye for NLP.

If he were an accountant would it be a huge black eye for accountancy?

J

jamesrolph wrote:

If he were an accountant would it be a huge black eye for accountancy?

J

Sure if the accountant wanted sex for advice on your taxes......and you were 13

The truth is that as someone who repeatedly presented themselves as a licensed therapist he had a level of trust with someone who was 13 years old.

I can't help but think that Tom is rather enjoying the Carmine Baffa story a little too much.

I'm guessing that you two guys have a history?

23nlpeople wrote:

I can't help but think that Tom is rather enjoying the Carmine Baffa story a little too much.

I'm guessing that you two guys have a history?

I saw him hurt a lot of people. 10 years ago I tried to warn people. Now a 13 year old girl is raped because no one believed me at the time.

I am not enjoying it. I am sick over it. Maybe I should have tried harder. Maybe I should not have given up. Maybe I should have done something differently. If I had maybe a 13 year old child would not have been raped.

I knew this guy on a personal level. I saw what he was like and what he did to people.

Yeah I have a history... and it disgusts me.

Feel free to delete this comment moderator - I have no further desire to interact with the original person it was directed at (and as their profile is set to private I am unable to discuss things with them in an appropriate context...)