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    the Unconcious Hello

    recently found out about this, apprently the founders of NLP know about this and were going to publish it but it didnt fit in with their model, so they didnt publish it.

    what are your views on this?

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Tell us some more!

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Unconcious hello appears to me to be part of rapport building, it seems to be finely tuned mirroring and matching etc, so in that sense is covered by NLP.

    What are your views on this?

    Stephen

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Hmm...

    Well when I meet someone these days do try to send out some intent of goodwill or energy or some other sort of esoteric horsesh!t. I'll happily Omm wit the rest of the hipies if it gets me my eco-friendly outcome.
    It's a kind of answer Stevie . .

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    Quote Stephen Salmon wrote: View Post
    Unconcious hello appears to me to be part of rapport building, it seems to be finely tuned mirroring and matching etc, so in that sense is covered by NLP.

    What are your views on this?

    Stephen
    That is exactly what i thought!

    but the way kenrick cleveland and his collegue go on about it is as if its completely new.

    they continually stress that is cannot be found anywhere, that its not in any book, course, DVD etc etc etc

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Hi all
    To my way of thinking the unconscious hello precedes any rapport building.

    It is simply the recognition by the unconscious of another unconscious in a similar state.

    Shirley

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    What exactly *is* the "unconscious hello"?

    Venus

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    Here's an extract from Kenrick Cleveland's website, maxpersuasion.com

    Every human being has numerous unconscious behavior's that take place in response to emotional states, common human experiences and things that happen to us. One striking example of this is a unique behavior that every human usually makes on meeting another human.

    As an example, have you ever noticed - right after you make eye contact with a certain person - they flick their eyebrows up and down? That is their unconscious hello. The interesting part of this is that the behavior or body movement expressed is unique to each and every person, and can be context dependent.
    Hope this helps

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    they say that it normally happens not when you come face to face with the other person, but, for example from about 30ft away

    it comes way before what most people would regard as the time when someone says "hello"

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    That is very interesting. I've noticed that some people who pay very close attention can tell what mood I am in (perhaps it would be more accurate to say what persona I am experiencing) even before I say hello. I wondered how they were doing that.

    So now I'm going to have to try and pay attention to what my "tells" are. Because I often surprise myself by my own responses so I can safely say I often don't know what my mood is until I have a reaction. I guess that's why I've learned to supress displaying my reactions in many circumstances until I have a chance to examine them before acting on them.

    Does anybody else out there know what their unconscious hello is? And can you change it at will? Or do you just recognize it the instant after it happens?

    This is very curious.

    Venus

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Here's mine:



    Sorry, I just have to spoil everything . .lol

    ;-)

    http://www.westessexhypnotherapy.co.uk

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    You are truly a goofball. :-D

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    I know, totalt Div

    Back tot he thread - I was wrong - as what I do is a deliberate concious internal process, and probably a hallucination, and one that serves me.

    kewl beans

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Unconscious hello (UH) is the pattern a person play just before he is going to say "Hello" to another person. If you play back someone's UH and then anchor it you have a way of sending a message directly to that person - useful in group settings. There are other derivatives of this - "unconscious no/yes" - lets' you know the answer to a question before it has been answered.

    It's definitely not Kenrick Clevelands invention - it has been around for ages - but he might have found a new application for it. I hear from people who knows him that he's quite a genius.

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    "unconscious no/yes" - lets' you know the answer to a question before it has been answered.
    Eric Robbie, showed me this one

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Were you conscious at the time?

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    I think, therefore I was

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Where can we find out more about this? Anyone have any good links?

    Cheers..

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    This 'technique' comes from Dave Dobson. Kenrick has attended courses from Dave, so that's why you might have found a description on Kenrick's site.

    And while yes, it is 'covered' by NLP, most NLP folks that have strolled into my seminars over the years have not attempted this with me or with other NLP students (and yes, I would know, because I'm always sorting for these kinds of things). So apparently either they didn't get trained in that technique, or they're not that conscious of their behavior from across the room while approaching a stranger until they get closer or begin to talk. Because the unconscious hello (whatever each person's unique 'analog' signal is/are) happens extremely briefly, almost always before verbal contact begins.

    Hope that clarifies things on this topic.

    - Jonathan Altfeld

    - J. Altfeld, http://www.altfeld.com, Now offering online NLP courses, real-time audio/video

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    Re: the Unconcious Hello

    Barndoor Back.

    ;-)

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