Some really interesting stuff has emerged on this forum of late that has definately got my thinking... Well... thinking...

Talk about 'Conscious/unconscious' and being 'centered' etc...

Isn't it all about semantics?

I mean Bufo posted a video that hit the nail for me but another poster wanted to know what in relation the video had to being centered... ...

I never seemed to gel with the word trance... In my mind trance was some far out experience that went beyond the realms of normal everyday experience... It limited my thinking in so much as when I was doing (NLP) excercises I often said to myself "this is not trance"...

Then I tried on "altered state of consciousness" and BANG I noticed that my consciousness was constantly altered... (A trance in some minds)... Mostly missed by the blink of an eye !

Eric mentioned 'centered' and I 'tried it on'... It fits very well with me in so much as when it came to 'unconscious signals' I couldn't do them... But I was doing them. I had a sense that I couldn't do them... See the paradox here?

I kept thinking centered doesn't do it for me like grounded does... But you know what; It did... Because if i'm centered I don't need to be concerned about whether or not my conscious mind is detecting my unconscious signals... It's just happening, ongoing, a process...

I then thought if someone can teach me what centered means to them. Maybe i'll update my thoughts and it'll mean something different to me. Therefore I can appreciate the words that are being used to create the right/wrong concept...

So I try words on and sometimes they fit like a glove... Sometimes they don't... Doesn't stop me appreciating that they mean so many different things to different people.

Question is: What is the difference that makes a difference... Then give it a go...

That's what was being asked before wasn't it... And... How? now we have 1000's of people asking the same questions can we break through the barriers of language knowing that... (in my map of the world)...

It's VITAL...

So if someone says "this is just bollocks"... Pay attention, try it on, and see if it fits. If it doesn't then put it to the back of your wardrobe... But if it does then hey... you've found somethin new to wear... and...

you've had a breakthru!

Wayne

What if different words point to experiential distinctions, and aren't mere semantic differences?

That's why -- in the thread on The Wrong Concept -- I raised the example of Fourth Way thinking (Gurdjieff etc) and Leary and Wilson's eight circuit model. If consciousness is as malleable as it seems to be, couldn't it be the case that different 'operating systems' can be installed, each with different advantages, disadvantages, and consequences?

adrian r wrote:

If consciousness is as malleable as it seems to be, couldn't it be the case that different 'operating systems' can be installed, each with different advantages, disadvantages, and consequences?

Yes, ideas then beliefs can create a myriad of consciousnesses

MrDigital wrote:

So if someone says "this is just bollocks"... Pay attention, try it on, and see if it fits. If it doesn't then put it to the back of your wardrobe... But if it does then hey... you've found somethin new to wear... and...

you've had a breakthru!

Wayne

Thanks for this Wayne. I think arguments can polarise people beyond what is useful, I appreciate this

My neighbour was just telling me how she wanted to make a nice mint jelly to go with the Sunday lamb roast. She went into the shop and asked for some sharp green apples and the girl gave her a banana.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlZiPuKmNV4]YouTube - Bannana!![/ame]