Any of you have "visualizations" (can involve any of the rep systems) that are more powerful or as powerful as actual experience of same content?

For me, visualizations are not even close to actual experience in power. Even when I turn up the brightness, make bigger, louder, closer, etc, it's not as powerful as actually seeing/hearing/feeling the same content(without the submodality "boosts".)

More powerful than submodalities for me would be changing the contents of the visualization itself. So visualizing about flying through the sky would feel more powerful than actually sitting down clipping my nails.

So priorities of power in my case appear to be
1. actual experience (over imagining)
2. content/context
3. submodalities/process

This makes me question the usefulness of "process over content" and visualization exercises that use submodalities.

1. Instead of "turning up the submodalities" in NLP textbook fashion, maybe it's more useful to: a)make visualizations as "realistic" as possible for rehearsing (for sports, for example), or b)make visualizations as "unrealistic as possible" for experiencess you're trying to get over. So for example, if someone said something that hurt you, even if you play that back in your mind in a loud volume, you can make it funny by making the voice as unrealistic as possible. Maybe Bugs Bunny voice. Make the person saying it have humongous nostrils. And even change what they said to jibberish or Martian speak.

2. What I said above and my experience implies that maybe content wins over process. If there is a certain goal (content) you're trying to achieve, make your visualizations as "realistic" or close to the actual content as possible. If there are things that you want to avoid or get over, change the content of the memory or experience: a) remove yourself physically from or change the actual experience thus changing content, or b) change the content of the memory by altering it to appear/sound/feel as unrealistic as possible. If someone scared you, imagine them as a mouse (or whatever content you find to be goofy).

Hi Steve - I think this is a two-way street. In some receptive states I'm intensely engaged dream or reality.

As a sporty ex-comp person the flow of visual rehearsal was priority just as you describe in the #1 paragraph

I can only speculate on the 1st sentence, and the rest is history.

Yes! onto the 1st sentence. When I'm hallucinating an oasis which is actually a mirage, struggling to survive, I depict myself as the fledgling maharajah, & empirically I'm not that there, yet but it's based on experience or personal observation.

Maybe I was just daydreaming the Quenn Cleopatra, yet I was wet-all over. It's was lucid & logical like saying goes, 'energy ignites where attention burst as inflamed by intentions,' something to that effect.

An F perhaps, again?

Did you move on from this period?

simpcore wrote:

Any of you have "visualizations" (can involve any of the rep systems) that are more powerful or as powerful as actual experience of same content?.

Why assume that power is the ultimate arbiter of utility? Would you not be sensitive to the feel of turning a door handle so as to open it easily with subtlety and an understanding of it's nature or do you wish instead to barge through doors to prove how powerful you are and that the door is not the obstacle it seemed to be?