Clyde

re:"You also forgot to mention that he doesn't stalk people and hijack their threads to extoll the virtues of his favorite trainer. Maybe you should follow his lead."

You are absolutely correct. I ‘ll have to start “stalking” someone who actually tell the difference between really good trainers like John Grinder, John Lavalle , Chris Collingwood, Doug O’ Brien, , and those whose judgment of trainers is limited to postings from Internet Forums and second hand info from mud slinging competitors of certain trainers.

but since you won't take my word for it, ask some SEASONED NLP'ers on this site like Michael Debusk or James Tsakalos(also on this site). I guarantee you they will know.

So I just spotted this thread (yes I still lurk around here from time to time) and noticed my name being dropped there. Not knowing where this all came from, I snooped around to find out what you guys have been talking about. So I have a question ...

Jim: are you getting anything valuable out of this exchange? Are you just killing time or something? Because dude, I can't imagine any great benefit to spending any more time on this.

Just my two cents ...

Cheers,

James T

james_t wrote:

So I just spotted this thread (yes I still lurk around here from time to time) and noticed my name being dropped there. Not knowing where this all came from, I snooped around to find out what you guys have been talking about. So I have a question ...

Jim: are you getting anything valuable out of this exchange? Are you just killing time or something? Because dude, I can't imagine any great benefit to spending any more time on this.

Just my two cents ...

Cheers,

James T

James

re:"Jim: are you getting anything valuable out of this exchange? Are you just killing time or something? Because dude, I can't imagine any great benefit to spending any more time on this."

it takes less time than you think. and I'm really interested to find out if he lacks as much good judgment and first hand experience as I think he does. (it will be a short thread and I'm getting alot achieved with other projects)

Jim

gstandard wrote:

but since you won't take my word for it, ask some SEASONED NLP'ers on this site like Michael Debusk or James Tsakalos(also on this site). I guarantee you they will know.

Magnetic Balls.

If you play with them, you will lose interest in trolls.

Along with just about everything else.

Anyway... what was the question?

Michael_DeBusk wrote:

Magnetic Balls.

If you play with them, you will lose interest in trolls.

Along with just about everything else.

Anyway... what was the question?

Michael

you and I will both probably agree that really good trainers are good at many things including: demonstrating behavioral congruence, demonstrating a skill AS they talk about it, and being excellent at training/transmitting skill rather than just presenting it

the original question submitted(to "Clyde Bird") was "how is it that he values second hand info(he was talking to some competitors of a certain trainer "slinging mud" at that trainer) and Internet postings OVER opinion derived from first hand observation of the skills listed above"?

(I actually don't care whether "Clyde's" opinion is different than mine as he maintains(lots of people's opinion are different than mine)

so far "Clyde" has avoided answering this question. from the other thread where you have been "coaching?" him in reference to him being the 2nd of 2 men involved with a certain lady, I'm guessing he has zero NLP training

Hope you are enjoying the Labor day weekend. its absolutely beautiful(and damned hot)here in Houston

Jim

gstandard wrote:

you and I will both probably agree that really good trainers are good at many things including: demonstrating behavioral congruence, demonstrating a skill AS they talk about it, and being excellent at training/transmitting skill rather than just presenting it

You and I do agree about those things.

the original question submitted(to "Clyde Bird") was "how is it that he values second hand info(he was talking to some competitors of a certain trainer "slinging mud" at that trainer) and Internet postings OVER opinion derived from first hand observation of the skills listed above"?

Thanks for the pointer to the conversation. Yes, I'd say that Clyde's decision strategy in the context of choosing an NLP trainer has a bug in it. It's a common and an understandable bug, though.

so far "Clyde" has avoided answering this question. from the other thread where you have been "coaching?" him in reference to him being the 2nd of 2 men involved with a certain lady, I'm guessing he has zero NLP training

I'm not sure, but I believe you're correct. Which is probably why he still has that bug in his strategy, and why it's unlikely that he'll have the opportunity to fix it. Kind of a shame.

Hope you are enjoying the Labor day weekend. its absolutely beautiful(and damned hot)here in Houston

I'm working, but it's not crazy, so that's good. But I'm off on Labor day. Everything is closed but the movie theaters. Maybe I'll go see <em>Inception</em>.

I'd like to respond here to something Clyde said:

Probably because Michael is a brilliant guy, not because of, but in spite of his trainer.

Thank you, Clyde, for the compliment. I can assure you that any brilliance I might be able to demonstrate comes from the combination of the following:

1. My willingness to practice and experiment. The whole "If it ain't broke, fix it until it is; then figure out what went wrong and fix that" thing.
2. The quantity, variety, and QUALITY of training I have had.

The trainer in question is, in my humble opinion, one of the best NLP trainers there is, and you're robbing yourself of something by refusing to train with him. The event to which you're referring took place a long time ago and was not related to the quality of training the students received. Moreover, it was a single event, and he's done nothing similar since. Can you think of a single thing you've done which is out of character for you? I know I can think of one for myself.

Testing my opinion will cost you a few hundred bucks and two or three days with your mind open. What it will gain you depends on your goals.

This thread seems to be continuing something from another thread. Can someone give us a link to the original?

chris_morris wrote:

This thread seems to be continuing something from another thread. Can someone give us a link to the original?

www.nlpconnections.com/nlp-seduction-relationships/15754-may-not-right-but-i-think-its-important-5.html#post107647

about the 5 page of the thread

Jim


You really have some strange obsession with trying to force your opinion on me. It's weird. You should really look at what you are doing and maybe decide if what you are doing is of any benefit; to you or me or anyone. I don't think it is.
You have been successful in hijacking the original thread, which really is no longer relevant as that situation is long over and I have learned a great deal about myself as a result of it. Life is a constant growing process.
I will address a few of the things you mentioned, then I'm gonna not read or post in this thread anymore as I do not believe that what you are doing is healthy.


“I ‘ll have to start “stalking” someone who actually tell the difference between really good trainers like John Grinder, John Lavalle , Chris Collingwood, Doug O’ Brien, , and those whose judgment of trainers is limited to postings from Internet Forums and second hand info from mud slinging competitors of certain trainers.”


As you know, there was no mudslinging. Several people, who I spoke with personally told me things. Strangely, their stories were identical though independent of each other. The only internet postings that aided in my forming a conclusion about your deity were the postings he made himself. Hell, the guy was so mad that nobody here agreed with him he started his own thread just to “sling mud” at Tad James.


“but since you won't take my word for it, ask some SEASONED NLP'ers on this site like Michael Debusk or James Tsakalos(also on this site). I guarantee you they will know.”


While I have a huge deal of respect for Michael, I don't know him nor Mr. Tsakalos personally, so, tell me, what makes their opinions somehow more valid than the people who I will not name publicly, but you know who they are from private correspondence.


The fact is, you exhibit the exact same bullying mentality of Jonathan.


To Michael,
I would only expect you to have attained the degree of expertise that you have as a result of the sweat of your own brow. You have and I'm sure will continue to open my eyes to new understandings that were previous foreign to me. Thank you sir. I would caution you, however, against calling the gentleman an NLP trainer. As you know, he is not allowed to certify in NLP. I initially was seduced by the man and though him to be quite intelligent, but he's emotionally unstable and has demonstrated that time and time again. You say there is a buy in my strategy. Fine, how do I fix it. You say it's a shame. I would say the shame is that you and Jim “Jonathan Jr.” do not respect my opinion regarding the man.


You're right, my training and knowledge is limited. There are reasons for that. Time is the main one. Sadly, I can't just up and leave my life for ten days or so to attend a training. I do plan to attend one within the next year, however. Just not sure whose training I'll attend.

It's like watching bald people fight over a comb!