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Message posted: 13th Aug 07, 12:46 am
Username: CornelisBlokland
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Re: A private speed seduction forum

So there is a disagreement about whether it's right (whatever that means) to consciously use tactics in order to seduce someone. I don't think it's worth our time or energy arguing about it as I doubt anyone will change anyone elses mind. And I don't think this is the place to discuss it anyway.

My opinion is that people becoming consciously aware of how they meet and mate (sorry to put it so crassly) is just a part of this progression of our consciousness and self awareness that we are undergoing as human beings. Human beings, along with all other life has been seeking the best ways to pass on their genes and memes since life began, this is just the next step.

It's evolution baby!

Reccomended reading: The Mating Mind, Geoffrey Miller



Secondly, an issue relating to NLP. Yeah really!

I haven't yet found a way to eloquently describe this phenomenon I observe a lot, but I'll try.

Often people coming to NLP are shocked to find out that there is potential for manipulation by using certain techniques and strategies. These should be locked away in case they are missused.

Now the underlying frames I detect are that 'being consciously aware of how you are thinking, behaving and communicating' is unnatural or not normal, and somehow embedded in human behaviour is an ethical component i.e. some things are inherently bad or wrong. (Just for the record I'm a moral relativist).

What is the baseline that we are measuring against. Should the sales-person not use certain behaviours to reach his goals? How do you measure when he is being 'normal' and when he is being 'manipulative'?

There are also some presuppositions about the relationship between identity and behaviours, but I'm not quite sure what they are. It seems some people like to think as there being a core identity which has attached to it certain core or fundamental behaviours which also define the identity. Anything that is added through conscious effort is somehow inauthentic / unnatural.


Does anyone understand what I'm getting at? It isn't quite crystalised in my mind yet.


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